767 RFO trip ANC-ICN
10-14-2015, 04:45 AM
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DC-10 & B-727 have 3-person crews. What's your point? Different rules apply.
Next up, stories about walking 10 miles to school, on the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, and liking it.
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Next up, stories about walking 10 miles to school, on the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, and liking it.
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10-14-2015, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Of course. We've been doing it for years with an MD-11 or MD-10-30. 3-person crew, ...
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10-14-2015, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
DC-10 & B-727 have 3-person crews. What's your point? Different rules apply.
Next up, stories about walking 10 miles to school, on the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, and liking it.
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Next up, stories about walking 10 miles to school, on the snow, barefoot, uphill, both ways, and liking it.
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14.11 CFR
Crewmember. A person assigned to perform duty in an aircraft during flight time.
757/767 PHB does define the crew as a minimum of 2, no max.
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10-14-2015, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Days Off
How do we already have RFO flights with no "approved" crew rest facility on the 767??
Trip 3136 30 Oct, 767
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10-14-2015, 01:38 PM
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It's crazy. My friends and I have been warning that a lot of this stuff was coming. Nobody listened or even cared.
Why did we allow the 767 to come on board with the crappy cockpit setup and lack of sleeping provisions in the first place?
Why did we even allow crews to sleep on the floor in the MD11?
It's weird. In some instances, we get industry leading stuff and in other areas we're cavemen.
They're buying more 757s and the 757 is going to do more widebody flying. Hence, there's going to be less widebody positions going forward.
Why did we allow the 767 to come on board with the crappy cockpit setup and lack of sleeping provisions in the first place?
Why did we even allow crews to sleep on the floor in the MD11?
It's weird. In some instances, we get industry leading stuff and in other areas we're cavemen.
They're buying more 757s and the 757 is going to do more widebody flying. Hence, there's going to be less widebody positions going forward.
10-14-2015, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Of course. We've been doing it for years with an MD-11 or MD-10-30. 3-person crew, less than 12 hours block. If they got lucky they had an -11 crew rest bird, if not they had a futon (I mean a vinyl mat on the floor).
There are Fedex MD-11s airborne as I type this flying 8 to 12 block hours with 3 pilots and no rest facility. Why is this even a question?
There are Fedex MD-11s airborne as I type this flying 8 to 12 block hours with 3 pilots and no rest facility. Why is this even a question?
10-14-2015, 07:23 PM
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I actually agree it sucks. The Campinas trip is going to have Jumpseaters and Couriers on it. It will be miserable. The point is what could we possible hope to accomplish with a contract? UPS has been doing this with the same configuration for 20 years. We got them to agree to more time off for augmented trips, if they want to fix it they have to fix the rest problem. Until then it is legal with the Feds and it is legal with the contract, whether this TA passes or not. Thinking we can tell the company which airplane to buy is nuts. Moving the head means they lose forward belly space due to plumbing. Why don't we demand no more night flying while we are it?
10-14-2015, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
You mean like an RFO? Or is that not a 3 man crew?
There are different rules. They are publicly available for you to read.
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