USMCFDX

Invest in a toupée, problem solved. Glad I could help.

Albief15

All valid, but technique I've seen is pull ice chest out and place it by observer seat. Most recent thermos of HOT coffee and cold drinks are available close by to crew while 3rd person rests. Heat and eat meals when guys swap. Again--not apologizing for this half-assed set up, just thinking out loud about how I'd mitigate it if I was flying it next month. Kohele....our former MEC chair, the training block rep, and another senior block rep all bid the 777 before a pay rate was ever published. It has not been our pilot groups history to have much effect on aircraft configurations, payrates, or purchases in the past. The lack of an IRCD on the 777...which came after 9/11, is just one example. Our 767s don't even have slides but rather an inertial reel system for egress. When our own management will not refer to us a pilot "union" but rather "the association" you understand they do not seek input from us unless its practically under duress. I think there has been some progress the last few years in safety but we do not work with a group that has any interest in cooperation with the union. Instead, they prefer to dictate terms until either challenged by legal or out of their own ideas on solutions.

RedeyeAV8r

At Least the MD-10/11"s have Seats behind the Cockpit door so the resting Pilot can have a Dark and quit place to relax. Some choose to lay on the floor on the Futon. I lay in the inboard fully reclined Seat.

The 767 provides no such option. without being trampled.

RedeyeAV8r

The Difference is with a 727 or DC-10, all "3" Crew members must remain at their stations for the entire time except to perform Bodily function breaks.

With an RFO he/she is not required to be at his/her station except for Takeoff/Climb and APP/Landing. The rest of time the Pilot not currently at station is provided a rest opportunity. On the MD-11/11 there is quiet dark space to do so. On the 767, not so much

badflaps

Just an idle question, how many inertia reels on the 767?

MaydayMark

Slide/rafts are heavy (don't forget Management's Fuel Sense bonuses!) and require periodic scheduled maintenance. Former experience at another airline suggested that Inertial Reels from the 747 upper deck were fine for land evacuation.

Surely the 767 would be required to have rafts (not slides) for overwaters operations?

The Walrus

They chose not to put slides on the 767 because we are always deploying them on new aircraft.

MX727

Under FAR 117, you can do this trip unaugmented. The crew isn't acclimated to ANC and duty starts at 1340 local in MEM. An unaugmented crew can operate up to 9 hours of block and 12 hours of duty. If they don't have to be acclimated to ANC, then they can go even longer. I'll let someone else look up the latitude difference between MEM and ANC. In any case, the pairing shows less than that. FAR 117 isn't all you might think.

FDXLAG

I understand that. The point of discussion is what will FDX do? Whatever is legal. We made a gain by requiring 36 hours off after an augmented duty period. If anything this extra pay will be an incentive for the company to pay for a crew rest container. And if Tony had actually read the FARs he mentioned he would have discovered the rest requirements for 3 man crews and 3 men crews is the same. He would have also discovered that 3 man crews +1 have essentially the same rest requiremnts of crews of 4 pilots.

FDXLAG

At least 6.