Mike A. Recall Resounding Failure
10-16-2015, 12:51 PM
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Mike A. Recall Resounding Failure
Went to the LEC 26 meeting today. Mike survived the recall by almost a 3 to 1 margin. Don't remember the exact numbers, but about 120-45.
From my perspective, the mistaken motivation behind the recall seems to be the idea that voting against a TA is an unacceptable disloyalty to those who produced it. That's a bad way to expect MEC Reps to act in negotiations, voting on loyalty versus voting on the merits of the agreement. The ratification process for a contract is a "checkride" for the TA, it should not be a rubber stamp. Voting on loyalty is the surest way to march into an abyss.
With luck the vote indicates the level of support the "unsat" side has.
Mike was very magnanimous after the vote asking the recall initiators to help him represent them. I hope they do.
From my perspective, the mistaken motivation behind the recall seems to be the idea that voting against a TA is an unacceptable disloyalty to those who produced it. That's a bad way to expect MEC Reps to act in negotiations, voting on loyalty versus voting on the merits of the agreement. The ratification process for a contract is a "checkride" for the TA, it should not be a rubber stamp. Voting on loyalty is the surest way to march into an abyss.
With luck the vote indicates the level of support the "unsat" side has.
Mike was very magnanimous after the vote asking the recall initiators to help him represent them. I hope they do.
10-16-2015, 01:47 PM
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That is great news. I'm very relieved he had enough people to stand with him.
Incredible that they would attempt to recall him because they think he should have had some loyalty to the negotiators--as opposed to any other reason.
Incredible that they would attempt to recall him because they think he should have had some loyalty to the negotiators--as opposed to any other reason.
10-16-2015, 07:04 PM
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My hope is that at some point we recognize the need for an across the board, unyielding mindset from our leaders.
The gentlemanly, business approach has come and gone. SS and the hand picked SIG reps in the NC have run their course. Please do not repeat.
The laissez-faire dynamic among the crew force must change. Captains and strong minded FOs need to create a higher level of accountability.
More than half the crew members I've spoken to are UNAWARE of what block they are in, who their reps are, and not read the entire TA. RUFKM?
It's only your current career and retirement in play. Disappointing to say the least.
The gentlemanly, business approach has come and gone. SS and the hand picked SIG reps in the NC have run their course. Please do not repeat.
The laissez-faire dynamic among the crew force must change. Captains and strong minded FOs need to create a higher level of accountability.
More than half the crew members I've spoken to are UNAWARE of what block they are in, who their reps are, and not read the entire TA. RUFKM?
It's only your current career and retirement in play. Disappointing to say the least.
10-17-2015, 05:16 AM
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Apparently the PSIT, Several NC members (former PSIT) along with the MD11 instructor pilots were behind the recall. Just curious as to who runs the union? Our elected leaders? PSIT? Those PSIT desiring Management positions.
It seem that if your a "yes" voter and you are not happy with the democratic process, you can always manipulate it.
It seem that if your a "yes" voter and you are not happy with the democratic process, you can always manipulate it.
10-17-2015, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePurpleScrew
Apparently the PSIT, Several NC members (former PSIT) along with the MD11 instructor pilots were behind the recall. Just curious as to who runs the union? Our elected leaders? PSIT? Those PSIT desiring Management positions.
It seem that if your a "yes" voter and you are not happy with the democratic process, you can always manipulate it.
It seem that if your a "yes" voter and you are not happy with the democratic process, you can always manipulate it.
10-17-2015, 01:52 PM
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Admittedly, I can see both sides of this argument as reasonable/acceptable.
Recall is in place for a reason. Snap recalls because of contrarian views is a slippery slope. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're concerns are invalid.
What we need to appreciate is the motivation. If a block rep is inept and borderline foolish, so be it. Recall him.
If a block rep is strongly motivated in his/her views to oppose a marginal deal and FIGHT for a better deal for the ENTIRE crewforce ... It may be worth a pause before judgment to ask why?
Why is Mike A. doggedly determined to see everyone's true worth acknowledged - even though his block sees strong TA gains? Single issue voters are normally myopic. Can you see the big picture?
Sometimes the delivery is confused with the motivation. I'm certainly guilty of that on this forum. However, I won't apologize for my views. I tend to think beyond just me.
In the end, contrarian views are valuable - the essence of democracy. Following the masses off the cliff is a legitimate concern. So many examples in history reflect this. Our immediate concern is how it reflects ours. Every vote counts.
I'm pleased to report, 4 converts from yes to no votes in the past week after a full review. If the TA represented our earned value, I'd vote for it. It simply falls well short. Even the yes voters know this deep down.
Fear is a very powerful motivator. But this isn't life or death. It's an airline contract.
Most of us have read Steinbeck "Of Mice and Men". It's quite the novella.
Recall is in place for a reason. Snap recalls because of contrarian views is a slippery slope. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're concerns are invalid.
What we need to appreciate is the motivation. If a block rep is inept and borderline foolish, so be it. Recall him.
If a block rep is strongly motivated in his/her views to oppose a marginal deal and FIGHT for a better deal for the ENTIRE crewforce ... It may be worth a pause before judgment to ask why?
Why is Mike A. doggedly determined to see everyone's true worth acknowledged - even though his block sees strong TA gains? Single issue voters are normally myopic. Can you see the big picture?
Sometimes the delivery is confused with the motivation. I'm certainly guilty of that on this forum. However, I won't apologize for my views. I tend to think beyond just me.
In the end, contrarian views are valuable - the essence of democracy. Following the masses off the cliff is a legitimate concern. So many examples in history reflect this. Our immediate concern is how it reflects ours. Every vote counts.
I'm pleased to report, 4 converts from yes to no votes in the past week after a full review. If the TA represented our earned value, I'd vote for it. It simply falls well short. Even the yes voters know this deep down.
Fear is a very powerful motivator. But this isn't life or death. It's an airline contract.
Most of us have read Steinbeck "Of Mice and Men". It's quite the novella.
Last edited by GetRealDude; 10-17-2015 at 02:08 PM.
10-17-2015, 02:10 PM
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I tend to think beyond just me.
You think beyond you, darn you, darn you all to heck! I'm pounding my fist on the sand.
You said the key statement right there. This TA is for everyone. I have never forgotten what its like to be a 72 SO and hub turning all week. I was never more tired in my life. After 3 months here, I was ready to quit. But, we have guys doing this life shortening work every day. I was lucky to be hired at a time when we were expanding. I'm an ANC WB captain and life is great. But, I will not sell out those who's life will be impacted by this contract.
This contract is a watershed moment in our history. We have never been in a better place to negotiate a better contract. If it takes more money out of my pocket to secure a better deal, I'm for it. This TA is not about money. Its about setting retirement straight, its about cleaning up the language the company will use against us. Maybe its just me, maybe its a lot of guys, but this contract is not all about me, its about us as a collective group.
You think beyond you, darn you, darn you all to heck! I'm pounding my fist on the sand.
You said the key statement right there. This TA is for everyone. I have never forgotten what its like to be a 72 SO and hub turning all week. I was never more tired in my life. After 3 months here, I was ready to quit. But, we have guys doing this life shortening work every day. I was lucky to be hired at a time when we were expanding. I'm an ANC WB captain and life is great. But, I will not sell out those who's life will be impacted by this contract.
This contract is a watershed moment in our history. We have never been in a better place to negotiate a better contract. If it takes more money out of my pocket to secure a better deal, I'm for it. This TA is not about money. Its about setting retirement straight, its about cleaning up the language the company will use against us. Maybe its just me, maybe its a lot of guys, but this contract is not all about me, its about us as a collective group.
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