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BlackKnight 10-21-2015 09:28 AM

Amen. Agreed.

CloudSailor 10-21-2015 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by dckozak (Post 1996922)
Do you really think the unions at American, Southwest, and Delta have any more power?? Are they also weak because of ALPA?? The problem isn't our weak leadership, nor (ALPA) national's intent (or lack there of) to force a intransigent management(s) to open the coffers and improve pay and working conditions. The problem is the National Mediation Board and the politics behind the scene that allows managements to string out negotiations, knowing the government can force both sides (of which only one is truly disadvantaged) to endless negoiate because they, our government, elected by the people, (not by soulless corporations) will not allow labor use self help.
The system is broken because our elected politicians, elected by the people (last I checked, working people, union members or otherwise, are citizens who elect their national leaders to represent them)
are working against our interests. They are using the power of the bureaucracy, the courts, the legislative pen, to undermine our rights to deal with our employer with the only real power labor has, to withhold services. :mad: Things are so broken that even to talk about self help, either within a union or outside (as in this forum) is against the law! :eek:

The problem is not our union, our leadership, nor the collective desire of our brotherhood, at Fedex or the greater population of airline pilots. The problem is political, as in our elected congress and executive branch. The NMB is the problem, how its led, how its manipulated, how industry has hijacked the process to the detriment of workers in the industries it oversees. We will never be able to move forward as long as we are hamstrung by a process rigged to force us to endless negotiate. Where a third party has the ultimate power to decide what they consider reasonable, and they can hold up the process to proceed beyond mediation. Solve the "problem" of our government taking sides and then let us determine our collective resolve. We are not children, we won't take down our employer, our industry, the national economy, or risk our national defense. We only want to have the ability to use the club of self help. And in having that option, it will be up to both management and the collective power of the employees to come to a reasonable resolution during negotiations.

Stop my government from impeding my right to bargain with my employer. Its as simple as that.

Perfect explanation of why we find ourselves where we do today, with a marginal TA, passing with a marginal majority vote.

vroll1800 10-27-2015 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 1996946)
Bullseye dckozak. Bullseye.

+1

Just for grins, I went to NMB website. I noticed that at least 2 mediators (Hoglander, Puchala) are former high union officers. (Former a VP at ALPA, later the President of APA).

Prior to the latest round of negotiations, a former VP Human Resourses/Labor Relations at my airline retired from his position of NMB director in 2013 after a 16 year tenure there.

As many of us know, NMB has been extremely reluctant to "pull the trigger" on declaring an impasse and starting the clock ticking towards a strike action. There have been no significant(**) airline strikes since 1998 NWA strike. Point being that if unions can't get any positive impetus towards contract gains in todays NMB makeup (2 former union officials), then the basic system is flawed.

(**) I'm aware of Comair and Spirit Airlines pilot strikes in 2001, and 2009, respectively. My threshold for a "significant airline" would be annual revenue of $2B or more. It would appear that Spirit would just about meet that threshold today. They are much larger than they were in 2009. However, their 2.1% share of domestic market is a pimple on the butt compared with DL, SWA, FedEx double digit market share percentages in their respective markets.


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