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Old 01-31-2016, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
So I have 500 hours of MUD and 286 hours of DSA and you are saying they add to my vanguard? I don't think so, that would mean essentially everyone over 15 years gets it.
DSA plus MUD always equals 686. So each year, whether you are at 686 or not, remaining RSA goes into DSA and thus reduces MUD by the same amount. If your DSA is over 686 then you get paid via the sick buyback program. Of course it does this only after you have actually been employed long enough to have the potential to have 686.
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Old 01-31-2016, 12:22 PM
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The answer to my problem is that I lost about 60hrs of MUD. If DSA and MUD exceed 686, MUD is reduced to bring the total back to 686. I did not get any money into my Vanguard account. I lost about 60hrs of potential pay. I looked in the contract and could not find where it addresses this. So if you have a close to full DSA and enough MUD to exceed 686, you should try to do MUD if you don't want to lose any hours. I believe this is also true if you had a large MUD and a smaller DSA, if the total exceeds 686, you lose hours. If you want the sick bank money to go into your Vanguard, you have to have all your hours in DSA without any in your MUD. I think its a screw job and not addressed in the contract. I talked to payroll about this and this was the answer I got.
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??So the complaint is that you lost about 60 hours of eligible MUD, potential pay? Not actual pay? Do you think they should pay you for eligible makeup disability pay? Why would that go into one's retirement account, it's not disability bank, it's just the potential to make it up.

Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?

Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
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Old 01-31-2016, 01:28 PM
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MUD is Make up! It is hours that you were already paid for using you regular sick time! At the end of each year your MUS hours move to MUD. All that you lost was the ability to fly make up hours for no pay and add those hours back into your DSA account. Your DSA account is capped at 686 hours and anything over that goes towards your 401K or into your pay if your 401K is maxed out for the year.
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
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Old 01-31-2016, 01:51 PM
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??So the complaint is that you lost about 60 hours of eligible MUD, potential pay? Not actual pay? Do you think they should pay you for eligible makeup disability pay? Why would that go into one's retirement account, it's not disability bank, it's just the potential to make it up.

Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?

Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
Your makeup bank wont be huge when it with your DSA exceed 686. And the MUD I lost is actual money. It goes into my 401k and the excess is sent to you in actual cash. And if you don't want to fly MUD, fine, but why should you lose any of it?

And trip trade up when there is no open time? Not in my base.
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MUD is Make up! It is hours that you were already paid for using you regular sick time! At the end of each year your MUS hours move to MUD. All that you lost was the ability to fly make up hours for no pay and add those hours back into your DSA account. Your DSA account is capped at 686 hours and anything over that goes towards your 401K or into your pay if your 401K is maxed out for the year.
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
The 60 hrs that were taken from my MUD is real money. It could have gone into my 401K and have even more value over time than just straight pay. And you get a check for the money that can't be put into your 401K over the max amount. We shouldn't be losing many sick time whether you want the money or won't use the sick. My point here is that many guys may not know that if you exceed 686 with DSA and MUD, you are going to have those hours lost with no monetary gain.
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Old 01-31-2016, 01:55 PM
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Not to come to waldorfs defense, but he was expecting nothing. Like him I was a little surprised the that the MUD was capped. I do not think it is in the contract. My assumption is MUD is zero if you have the full 686 so you do lose options for make up. Essentially every hour of sick I use now is an hour less I can make up. Not a big deal for me, but let's say you have 680 hours in your DSA and 6 in your MUD, it would limit your options.

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Old 01-31-2016, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
Not to come to waldorfs defense, but he was expecting nothing. Like him I was a little surprised the that the MUD was capped. I do not think it is in the contract. My assumption is MUD is zero if you have the full 686 so you do lose options for make up. Essentially every hour of sick I use now is an hour less I can not make up. Not a big deal for me, but let's say you have 680 hours in your DSA and 6 in your MUD, it would limit your options.
My real point of this post was to let guys know that this happens. And with no real change in our retirement, having the money being put into your 401K over several years can be a big offset. And, I don't see where it is spelled out in the contract that this happens.
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I learned something new, thanks.
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Old 01-31-2016, 02:10 PM
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Your makeup bank wont be huge when it with your DSA exceed 686. And the MUD I lost is actual money. It goes into my 401k and the excess is sent to you in actual cash. And if you don't want to fly MUD, fine, but why should you lose any of it?
We have many things not addressed in the contract, that the company interprets as they like. You might get more accurate information if you call contract enforcement, or then again they might just not respond for three months, and then tell you that they don't know.

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And trip trade up when there is no open time? Not in my base.
If there's nothing in open time, then I fail to see how MUD is going to help you. No matter the airplane or base you're on, it's likely that something will open up at sick time release.
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