FedEx DSA and MUD
#11
DSA plus MUD always equals 686. So each year, whether you are at 686 or not, remaining RSA goes into DSA and thus reduces MUD by the same amount. If your DSA is over 686 then you get paid via the sick buyback program. Of course it does this only after you have actually been employed long enough to have the potential to have 686.
#12
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The answer to my problem is that I lost about 60hrs of MUD. If DSA and MUD exceed 686, MUD is reduced to bring the total back to 686. I did not get any money into my Vanguard account. I lost about 60hrs of potential pay. I looked in the contract and could not find where it addresses this. So if you have a close to full DSA and enough MUD to exceed 686, you should try to do MUD if you don't want to lose any hours. I believe this is also true if you had a large MUD and a smaller DSA, if the total exceeds 686, you lose hours. If you want the sick bank money to go into your Vanguard, you have to have all your hours in DSA without any in your MUD. I think its a screw job and not addressed in the contract. I talked to payroll about this and this was the answer I got.
#13
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??So the complaint is that you lost about 60 hours of eligible MUD, potential pay? Not actual pay? Do you think they should pay you for eligible makeup disability pay? Why would that go into one's retirement account, it's not disability bank, it's just the potential to make it up.
Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?
Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?
Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
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MUD is Make up! It is hours that you were already paid for using you regular sick time! At the end of each year your MUS hours move to MUD. All that you lost was the ability to fly make up hours for no pay and add those hours back into your DSA account. Your DSA account is capped at 686 hours and anything over that goes towards your 401K or into your pay if your 401K is maxed out for the year.
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
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??So the complaint is that you lost about 60 hours of eligible MUD, potential pay? Not actual pay? Do you think they should pay you for eligible makeup disability pay? Why would that go into one's retirement account, it's not disability bank, it's just the potential to make it up.
Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?
Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
Do you really want to fly makeup disability, if you already have a full disability bank? Why don't you just trip trade 12 hours up, fly on makeup or AVA status, get real money?
Too bad I can't give you some of my MUD bank, it's huge, and I'll never fly makeup disability.
And trip trade up when there is no open time? Not in my base.
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MUD is Make up! It is hours that you were already paid for using you regular sick time! At the end of each year your MUS hours move to MUD. All that you lost was the ability to fly make up hours for no pay and add those hours back into your DSA account. Your DSA account is capped at 686 hours and anything over that goes towards your 401K or into your pay if your 401K is maxed out for the year.
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
If they let you do unlimited make up and then create an excess in your DSA account - you would be getting paid twice for those hours!
#17
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Not to come to waldorfs defense, but he was expecting nothing. Like him I was a little surprised the that the MUD was capped. I do not think it is in the contract. My assumption is MUD is zero if you have the full 686 so you do lose options for make up. Essentially every hour of sick I use now is an hour less I can make up. Not a big deal for me, but let's say you have 680 hours in your DSA and 6 in your MUD, it would limit your options.
Last edited by FDXLAG; 01-31-2016 at 02:05 PM. Reason: Fixed a double negative.
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Not to come to waldorfs defense, but he was expecting nothing. Like him I was a little surprised the that the MUD was capped. I do not think it is in the contract. My assumption is MUD is zero if you have the full 686 so you do lose options for make up. Essentially every hour of sick I use now is an hour less I can not make up. Not a big deal for me, but let's say you have 680 hours in your DSA and 6 in your MUD, it would limit your options.
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If there's nothing in open time, then I fail to see how MUD is going to help you. No matter the airplane or base you're on, it's likely that something will open up at sick time release.