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Sluggo_63 02-18-2016 10:18 AM

FDX-DH Economy Upgrades
 
Just want to confirm that we're now allowed to expense "Economy Upgrades" to a "Economy Plus" (UAL) "Main Cabin Extra" (AAL), etc. in the new CBA.

P.S. When are we getting a clean CBA that doesn't have all the strike-throughs, edits, etc.?

Sluggo_63 02-18-2016 02:36 PM

Since no one answered (what am I paying you guys for, anyway?) I had a chance to look in the CBA.

$40 is allowed per leg, $80 per deadhead segment.

Overnitefr8 02-18-2016 02:56 PM

Actually we have always been able to expense economy upgrades if you had the bank money. Without looking at the contract, I know there is some new difference now.

FDXpilot 02-19-2016 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 2070970)
Just want to confirm that we're now allowed to expense "Economy Upgrades" to a "Economy Plus" (UAL) "Main Cabin Extra" (AAL), etc. in the new CBA.

I too was wondering about this. Last month I had money in my deviation bank and expensed an upgrade to economy comfort. The report is still pending. Not sure if they will approve it or not. The CBA section 8.C.3.a.iii doesn't go into effect until March according to the implementation chart. This is a new section and wasn't in the old CBA that I know of.

Overnitefr8 02-19-2016 06:56 AM

I upgraded to economy plus on United all the time, if I had the bank money, prior to this contract. Haven't had to since then.

FDXpilot 02-19-2016 07:12 AM

Yes. I believe this to be true, as long as you have had money in your bank. (Current practice) I think the new CBA will allow seat selection and upgrades to plus or comfort, up to $40 per leg and $80 per segment regardless of bank status. If I'm reading the CBA correctly that is.:)

adqrip 02-20-2016 04:49 AM

yep, works like a charm, use "seat adjustment" on expense report...

skyler 02-20-2016 05:32 AM

So what is the thoughts about this:

You have a bunch of bank money, and the upgrade is $59 for the first leg and $89 for the second leg. Do we pay the difference? I thought this was a screw job in the contract because these upgrade prices are containing to rise but the contract is not protected from inflationary price increases. What say you?

Rock 02-20-2016 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by skyler (Post 2072068)
So what is the thoughts about this:

You have a bunch of bank money, and the upgrade is $59 for the first leg and $89 for the second leg. Do we pay the difference? I thought this was a screw job in the contract because these upgrade prices are containing to rise but the contract is not protected from inflationary price increases. What say you?

Sometimes an upgrade to first on our reservations website is less than the cost of upgrading to a higher level of economy. But my suggestion is to avoid paying for upgrades by focusing your travel on one airline. It will take very little time to gain a status that provides free upgrades on every flight. Or get a credit card for the airline of your choice and it usually provides the same thing.

Glenntilton 02-20-2016 04:50 PM

Well I'm not a captain, but any pilot from another airline who introduces himself to the cockpit can sit anywhere they want once the door closes.

DLax85 02-20-2016 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 2072315)
Sometimes an upgrade to first on our reservations website is less than the cost of upgrading to a higher level of economy. But my suggestion is to avoid paying for upgrades by focusing your travel on one airline. It will take very little time to gain a status that provides free upgrades on every flight. Or get a credit card for the airline of your choice and it usually provides the same thing.

Yes, our travel expenses should be based on loyalty programs & credit cards

If we would all just get credit cards which give us "cash back" each month and use "frequent diner cards" at Starbucks, Subway and Panera Bread, then we could negotiate lower increases to our per diem too.

Come on guys, a little more effort please.😏

Rock 02-20-2016 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 2072397)
Yes, our travel expenses should be based on loyalty programs & credit cards

If we would all just get credit cards which give us "cash back" each month and use "frequent diner cards" at Starbucks, Subway and Panera Bread, then we could negotiate lower increases to our per diem too.

Come on guys, a little more effort please.😏

Enjoy coach.

busdriver12 02-20-2016 06:58 PM

I have to agree with Rock on this one. Screw paying for an economy upgrade. Get status on another airline, fly with them or their partners all the time, and fly first class. You don't get free wine in coach, so go for the good seats! Especially if you don't have bank or qualify for the company to pay for FC.

skyler 02-21-2016 06:19 AM

Isn’t the “loyalty Program” upgrades last minute (i.e. 48-24 hours before the flight)? It seem to be more advantagious to be able to book an upgrade much earlier.

Does anyone have experience with my previous question:

"You have a bunch of bank money, and the upgrade is $59 for the first leg and $89 for the second leg. Are we limited to $40/80? Do we pay the difference? I thought this was a screw job in the contract because these upgrade prices are containing to rise but the contract is not protected from inflationary price increases. What say you?”

My two thoughts are:

1. $40/80 is above and beyond and you may expense it no matter if you have bank or not. (This scenario seems unlikely).

2. you can ONLY expense $40/80 no matter how much bank you have.

#2 is a bad deal 57% voted for. We are stuck with those numbers for 6+++ years even though the prices continue to go up and are already in excess of those numbers on a lot of legs.....

Rock 02-21-2016 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by skyler (Post 2072620)
Isn’t the “loyalty Program” upgrades last minute (i.e. 48-24 hours before the flight)? It seem to be more advantagious to be able to book an upgrade much earlier.

Does anyone have experience with my previous question:

"You have a bunch of bank money, and the upgrade is $59 for the first leg and $89 for the second leg. Are we limited to $40/80? Do we pay the difference? I thought this was a screw job in the contract because these upgrade prices are containing to rise but the contract is not protected from inflationary price increases. What say you?”

My two thoughts are:

1. $40/80 is above and beyond and you may expense it no matter if you have bank or not. (This scenario seems unlikely).

2. you can ONLY expense $40/80 no matter how much bank you have.

#2 is a bad deal 57% voted for. We are stuck with those numbers for 6+++ years even though the prices continue to go up and are already in excess of those numbers on a lot of legs.....

The airline loyalty program I'm in upgrades me to economy plus automatically at booking. It upgrades me to first class 96 hours prior (when available). It cost me 0 dollars to join. It also includes higher status with major hotel and rental car chains, which doesn't sound like a big deal until you realize that 1. they are free, 2. there's no way I'd get those status upgrades on my own, 3. they work whether I'm traveling on FedEx's dime or my own. My family has taken several trips to Europe in first class both ways using miles I accumulated on FedEx deadheads. I haven't flown in anything other than first class (when it exists on the airplane I'm on) since I can remember and as a commuter, that is a lot of flying.
Bottomline, for zero dollars, I take advantage of a required part of my life as a FedEx commuter to make my traveling more comfortable. For zero dollars, I don't have to worry about $40/$80 upgrade expenses because they just happen for free. And for zero dollars, the miles that I accumulate flying to work allow me to fly internationally in reserved first class seats with my family and enjoy things like free internet and lounge access when we stay in hotels on our vacation travel. Did I mention that those benefits cost me nothing?
And regarding your previous question, I think option #2 is the correct answer. But I'm not sure why it's a "bad deal". Our 2011 contract did not provide any allowance for that type of upgrade.

Overnitefr8 02-21-2016 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 2072741)
The airline loyalty program I'm in upgrades me to economy plus automatically at booking. It upgrades me to first class 96 hours prior (when available). It cost me 0 dollars to join. It also includes higher status with major hotel and rental car chains, which doesn't sound like a big deal until you realize that 1. they are free, 2. there's no way I'd get those status upgrades on my own, 3. they work whether I'm traveling on FedEx's dime or my own. My family has taken several trips to Europe in first class both ways using miles I accumulated on FedEx deadheads. I haven't flown in anything other than first class (when it exists on the airplane I'm on) since I can remember and as a commuter, that is a lot of flying.
Bottomline, for zero dollars, I take advantage of a required part of my life as a FedEx commuter to make my traveling more comfortable. For zero dollars, I don't have to worry about $40/$80 upgrade expenses because they just happen for free. And for zero dollars, the miles that I accumulate flying to work allow me to fly internationally in reserved first class seats with my family and enjoy things like free internet and lounge access when we stay in hotels on our vacation travel. Did I mention that those benefits cost me nothing?
And regarding your previous question, I think option #2 is the correct answer. But I'm not sure why it's a "bad deal". Our 2011 contract did not provide any allowance for that type of upgrade.

I agree with everything you said except the last line. The contract didn't provide for it but crew travel audit allowed it and I always was allowed to expense it if I had the bank money, regardless of the cost. Not it appears to be limited.

Rock 02-21-2016 06:43 PM

Sounds like it is time to give it a test.


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