Some can have three legs on the 75, some can have up to 7.5 hours of block (West Coast). I think the 75 even has (had) a 4 leg Saturday morning see Iowa tour. If you sit reserve you will see a lot of the painful Am O&Bs, particularly in the winter. Some of them are pretty good. If you live in MEM they can be a nice option. If it were me and I lived in MEM I would probably plan on sitting reserve for five years. If that were my choice I would bid WB and get paid well for it.

:confused: Contractually, I don't see how either one of those scenarios is possible.

By definition, AM O&Bs launch in the critical period and are limited to 9:00 hours duty and have to block in by 1000L. 7.5 hours of block plus the 1 hour prior show and :30 post-trip leaves zero hours available for ground time during the turn.

Sort of the same issue for 4 legs in IA. ~1 hour per leg plus an hour on the ground at each station puts the total duty at 8:30. CID or DSM to MEM is ~1:30. Even MEM-BHM is blocked at 1:15 and that's just touring AL on three legs.

Those are the lines I was thinking along. I didn't think I'd have a choice in the matter since my last 4 are so low, but the last indoc class had 6 x 777, 3 x 76, and 3 x Buses in addition to the 4 x 75 (and 4 x MD). I started to think I might have a chance at something WB and my indoc "bid" choice may actually be more complicated than taking whatever is left over. Starting with the 12 Sep class, we are sending in a bid/dream sheet before BI starts and I think we'll know our aircraft before we show up. Class also starts on Sunday for MD folks and Monday for everyone else. I guess if I accidently fall into a 777 I'll just have to make the best of it! :D

Thanks again for the help.

You are correct the 4 leg 75 trip is a PM O&B. The west coast am O&B tend to be reserve trips add one. I have jump seated from San to MEM at least twice on a MD-11 O&B, one was in the morning for sure.

Just make sure you are aware of passover pay prior to bidding. I am not an expert, but my understanding is that if you are starting indoc right now, and you put 757 last on your dream sheet, you will still get widebody pay as soon as the class after you finishes IOE.

What!? But, meanwhile we have 4-6 year 757 F/Os who AREN'T getting passover for the 767...yet new hires are getting it when the next indoc class finishes IOE?

I digress, back to the thread...

Can anyone confirm this? Contract seems to agree, but hadn't heard it before.

No personal verification. However, the contract does look like it supports the scenario. None of it's called "passover pay" any longer. It seems like what we're talking about here is "New hire junior activation compensation" (say that 5 times fast). The other thing is now "slot denial payments".

SDP won't start until we actually bid for training, til then-it's old school rules

757 FO's that have bids to the 767 are not getting passover pay.

757 FO's that have bids to other wide bodies are getting passover pay.

I am told the union has grieved it. If we can't win this one, than we are paying way too much money for those big dollar ALPA lawyers.