The joys of PBS....
 

This is from an airline I used to work for that has PBS. Granted not all software packages are created equal, but from reading this you can easily see that seniority very often takes a back seat to those with better computer programming skills:

"I've learned the hard way that your bid results in one month usually have ZERO correlation to your bid results the next month.

Until you reach about 15% seniority, bid what you want in the first couple layers, but after that, bid defensively.

Ask yourself:

"What are the trips that I don't want, but could tolerate?"

"What are the trips that I can easily split up into locals, 2 days, and 3 days to make them easier to trade away?"

Then bid for these trips in your lower layers.

Another possibility, which I have used with some success, is this:

In your first 2 layers, put all the trips you want. But then also waive all the restrictive line properties. For example, keep the max work block at 6. Set the default days off between work blocks to 1 (instead of the default of 2.) Allow pairing-pairing on the same day (useful if you are bidding standups and locals or 2-days). Waive the max block in 7.

In other words, in the first 2 layers, remove all of the restrictions in PBS, so that you have a better chance of getting what you want.

Then in layer 3, do "Clear Award/Partial Lines." This reinstates all of the default PBS restrictions and clears your entire bid. In layers 3 and 4, put the same trips you put into 1 and 2, but don't waive the restrictions as you did in layers 1 and 2. In layers 5, 6, and 7, make sure your bid includes more and more trips in every layer (you should be nearly at 100% by Layer 7. I only ever use layer 7 to put in days off that I really want to have.)

The reason this can work is:

• By relaxing all the restrictions in Layers 1 and 2, you give yourself a better chance of getting the trips you want. You're willing to accept certain negatives (i.e. only 1 day off between work blocks, and a max work block of 6, which gives you the possibility of 5 standups in a row, followed by one day off, followed by 5 standups) if it means the software can complete your line. By making it easier for PBS to build your line, you're helping your chances.

•*By doing Clear Award/Partial Lines in Layer 3, you're un-waiving all of those restrictions. The reason here is that if you just add in a bunch of trips you don't want to layers 3-7, and you don't use Clear Award/Partial Lines, all of those waivers you put in Layers 1/2 will carry down to Layers 3-7. If you do this, you're just asking for a 6-day work block followed by a 31-hour break in Williston, followed by a 6-day work block, because you've told PBS that you'll accept 6 day workblocks, 1 day off between blocks, and a rest outside of base in lieu of the usual in-base 30-hours-off requirement.

Anyhow, this strategy helped me turn what I figured was going to be a completely disastrous June bid into a bid that's only half terrible. And I am far more senior to you...yet I still bid very defensively. Only when you're in the top 15% or so, can you start really getting what you want.

Finally, never, ever put TLCR in Layer 7. And when you're setting your TLCR, ensure that by Layer 6, the max TLCR value is well above the default average line value for your base. If the line value default is 88, ensure you're at least up to 98 or so by Layer 6. And at your seniority level, don't even bother setting TLCR below the average line value...it's not gonna do anything for you."

So what? And who shouldn't accept PBS? If you are talking FedEx, its at least 5 years before the contract ends that this would come up again.

For what its worth PBS at my airline is great. But we have really good work rules that guide it. No one at my airline would go back to line bidding.

It's in the FedEx sub-forum, so...

Cool. Keep it there. I could be wrong but I wonder if you know about our vacation system here at Fedex. PBS would wreck it.

Everybody always says this, but I disagree. It doesn't have to. Vacation could work just like we have it now. It's all in the programming.

I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF BRINGING PBS TO FEDEX

you have 7 days of vacation, but want to use 80 hours of your bank, program it in. Want to slide, expand, etc., it can be programmed to do that to. It can be programmed to do whatever the programmer wants it to do. Or you can program it to not even look at your vacation days during the build and then after you are awarded your schedule, you can vacation adjust just like you can now. There are a myriad of ways to have PBS and keep our vacation flexibility just as it is.

Now, whether the company would give us that kind of control... that's a different story altogether. That's the part I don't trust and why I wouldn't want PBS here. Given complete control of the programming parameters to ALPA and the line pilots, I think it would actually be a benefit, but that would never happen, so neither should PBS.

No need to test the theory, if it works the way it is don't change it. The company can change the programming at their leisure then you'll have to spend time and money grieving it.

Now, whether the company would give us that kind of control... that's a different story altogether. That's the part I don't trust and why I wouldn't want PBS here[/QUOTE]

Winner winner chicken dinner.

I'm gonna raise the bullsh1t flag!

^^^^^ I'll raise it too.

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What airline might that be?

Ask anyone on the ASA side of ExpressJet what they think of their PBS and the ability to maximize vacation.

Its like kicking an ant pile. Debating a topic that isn't a player for years. :rolleyes:

Which Management cubicle do you work in?

Do you get a bonus for "boning us"?


:eek:

Mayday...he specifically said he does not want PBS :confused:. And I have to agree with him 100%. PBS in of its self is not evil. Its the mgt that controls the keys that is evil. And NO I dont trust them either....

Yea, PBS could be a great thing. It all depends on how the programming is done, how complicated the agreement language would be, and if you trust the ones in control, period. Based on history and corporate greed, I wouldnt trust them for a nanosecond.

Sometimes the wheel doesnt need to be reinvented.

I'm voting for PBS on the next contract. Why should I vote any other way, I mean, the Union is going to say its a good deal and the membership will follow. And when you are in the top seniority, why would you care after 20yrs. There are going to be a lot of guys voting yes on the next contract because they are leaving. ADIOSMF

Exactly the opposite of what the union did this time.

Thanks for playing.

I think I flew with you last month.

Go over to Delta Forum and ask about PBS.

What does membrain look like?

That's him.

Thanks, Check 6... When I wrote my post, I purposely wrote:
"I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF BRINGING PBS TO FEDEX" in all caps.

I was going to write it like this:
"I AM NOT A PROPONENT OF BRINGING PBS TO FEDEX", but I thought, who could misconstrue my message? I didn't want to be condescending, so I just left the caps.

Then along comes Mayday and calls me a management stooge. Nice. Some people never fail to disappoint.