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Albief15, your one post influenced a lot of people who you helped get hired. I would almost bet if you have come out against the TA, it wouldn't have passed. Your post got it passed.

The company isn't going to "give" us anything, unless it is a win for them. If it is a win for them, it is a loss for us.

How long will it take us to learn?

The stupidity of this pilot group continues to disappoint me.

Don't blame me, I voted no.

After five extra years as a captain to increase retirement. :rolleyes:

Don't improve the contract I voted yes on and you voted no on, that will teach me.

There are cheaper ways to fund a pension than our current A Plan structure. Just ask UPS (who I gather most of you swoon over their "A Plan" improvements).

No sure what point your trying to make. :rolleyes: I voted No and have no illusions over an improvement to my retirement before this contract expires. I do find it disingenuous that some who voted yes on the current CBA where fine with the A plan freeze for now and feel that their retirement can be fixed during a future contract. :mad:

I don't know if the retirement can be improved or can't. I knew it wasn't going to be when the pitch forks came out when it was proposed we listen to alternate retirement structures. I am happy with this contract, glad I voted yes. No one has a better overall contract than we do. If I retire under this contract, OK by me, but all negotiation with the company are essentially section 6. If the majority would rather wait and fund more B Fund improvements by giving up pay or quality of life in 2022, that too is ok by me. But it would be better to see what is available now, so we can see what we are giving up.

Let me repeat:

There are cheaper ways to fund a pension than our current A Plan structure. Just ask UPS (who I gather most of you still swoon over their "A Plan" improvements).

Wow, a couple people mention UPS's retirement and most of us are swooning over it?? That's a stretch!

Cheaper for who?

Us or the company?

Who would benefit from these "cheaper ways"?

Us or the company?

I, for one, would love for you to explain your "cheaper ways" in more detail, so I can understand how this might benefit the entire crew force.

The problem I have with your train of thought, is the basic premise that we must give up something, to gain something.

Thankfully, there have been others, industry wide, that were willing to fight for the gains that you now enjoy.

Unlike you I am willing to listen.

Tha is not my desire but if the 3 to 1 quote is true that is what happens. Are A Funds more expensive than other forms of direct and indirect compensation? I trust both the union and the company when they say yes. It also explains why UPS follows the scheme they do.