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Old 09-30-2016, 09:29 AM   #1  
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Mind control (also known as brainwashing, reeducation, brain sweeping, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) is a controversial theory that human subjects can be indoctrinated in a way that causes "an impairment of autonomy, an inability to think independently, and a disruption of beliefs and affiliations. In this context, brainwashing refers to the involuntary reeducation of basic beliefs and values".[1]
Theories of brainwashing and of mind control were originally developed during the Korean War to explain how totalitarian regimes appeared to systematically indoctrinate prisoners of war through propaganda and torture techniques. These theories were later expanded and modified by psychologists including Margaret Singer and Philip Zimbardo to explain conversions to some new religious movements (NRMs). This resulted in scientific and legal debate;[2] with Eileen Barker, James Richardson, and other scholars, as well as legal experts, rejecting at least the popular understanding of the concept.[3]
Other theories have been proposed by scholars including: Robert Cialdini, Stanley A. Deetz, Robert Jay Lifton, Michael J. Freeman, Daniel Romanovsky, Kathleen Taylor, and Benjamin Zablocki. The concept of mind control is sometimes involved in legal cases, especially regarding child custody; and is also a major theme in both science fiction and in criticism of modern political and corporate culture.

When has any airline bargained in good faith?
How many airlines have gone multiple years past the contract date?

Why is our union doing this?
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So do you object to them paying to get a duplicate model of the FDX A Plan numbers. I don't, this is what was promised us when we voted ALPA back on property; so what if it took 15 years and no help from national. Or do you object to the survey to find out how little we know about retirement?

So far that is all that has happened. I find much more interesting the PFC article on how the Irish pilots are going to be flying our freight around Europe in 737s. I thought the FDA LOAs were going to prevent that.
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[QUOTE=cwjflyer20;2213907] [2] with Eileen Barker

I thought she was really hot in Sea of Love with Al Pachino.
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Hey, Al wasn't half bad, either.

One thing that caught my attention in that presentation was the mention of UPS, and a 30 year retirement. So why would we want to emulate that?
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If CBA 2006 is any indication it depends on how many members of the MEC and the NC plan on staying more than 25.
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Mind control (also known as brainwashing, reeducation, brain sweeping, coercive persuasion, thought control, or thought reform) is a controversial theory that human subjects can be indoctrinated in a way that causes "an impairment of autonomy, an inability to think independently, and a disruption of beliefs and affiliations. In this context, brainwashing refers to the involuntary reeducation of basic beliefs and values".
I thought talking politics here was verboten.
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Hey, Al wasn't half bad, either.

One thing that caught my attention in that presentation was the mention of UPS, and a 30 year retirement. So why would we want to emulate that?
Dear god.

I didn't make it through the whole video. I like Pat as a person but he's not a confident public speaker so it's kinda painful to watch.

So I missed the part where we "want" to work an extra 5 years for full retirement !???
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Dear god.

I didn't make it through the whole video. I like Pat as a person but he's not a confident public speaker so it's kinda painful to watch.

So I missed the part where we "want" to work an extra 5 years for full retirement !???
Well, it wasn't actually specific. And I don't have the stamina to sit through the video again to verify. Just new ideas mentioned, in the same breath as UPS and 30 years, leaving me thinking, "What exactly are we talking about, here?" Maybe someone else who was more awake while viewing can verify this.

I was initially all for talking about this, thinking, what can it hurt to talk about it? We don't vote yes on anything unless it's a win for the entire group. However, I tend to agree with Lag's statement, "If CBA 2006 is any indication it depends on how many members of the MEC and the NC plan on staying more than 25."
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I was initially all for talking about this, thinking, what can it hurt to talk about it? We don't vote yes on anything unless it's a win for the entire group. However, I tend to agree with Lag's statement, "If CBA 2006 is any indication it depends on how many members of the MEC and the NC plan on staying more than 25."
Unfortunately, around here, that's not how things work. The majority of people around here only vote for what's in their personal best interest. And that mentality was pushed by the union. Numerous officers of FDX ALPA stating "read the TA & decide if it is what is best for you & your family." No mention of the other 47xx guys/gals the agreements will affect. No wonder the company is so good at divide & conquer, we basically do it for them. This is one of my greatest concerns when we deal with the company in negotiations. An agreement outside of section 6 is NO different as far as I'm concerned.
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Sounded to me like the 30 yr reference was just an example of what they could plug into the model, now that they have built it, to see what it would cost FDX.

Having said that...going to 30 yrs at 2% would be a 20% increase in our A-plan benefits. Of course, it would only benefit those that can get more than 25 years. And, it would give yet another incentive to stay until 65.

But, it would certainly be better than the A-plan gains that were approved by this group in the TA, one year ago.
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