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Old 02-04-2017, 09:40 AM   #11  
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This next class starting Monday is anywhere from 2 Days off (777) to 2 weeks off (A300) after BI (Basic Indoc).
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Couple of thoughts for new hires:

1. Please don't pass on a jet you'd RATHER fly for 2 months difference in training pay verses line flying. You've got plenty of time to make money. I'd hate to see someone pass up a jet they wanted for something "quicker". The real money doesn't show up until year 2. Budget accordingly. Actually, once consolidated, dropping a trip or two and banking the hours to make-up year 2 at almost twice the pay would be a smart move.

2. Mil leave. I flew F-15s for 6 years as a part timer. I get it...doing two jobs is tough. I strongly suggest you NOT take huge chunks (i.e. > 2 weeks) your first year. This isn't about USERRA, or anything else...its about diving in and learning your new job. Get good at your new craft. Showing up and going on 6-12 months of leave for an upgrade or new checkout at your home unit doesn't make it easier for your squadron mates to follow you. We just hired a bunch of corporate guys...and I know they will be solid additions. Any idea why perhaps those guys are suddenly getting the calls and your squadron mates are still waiting for the phone to ring? I'll give you three mother****ing guesses...

3. Be a professional...on duty and off. Remember the new guy mantra at any fighter squadron..."never pass up the opportunity to shut your hole.." I have a friend who was terminated while on probation. He had some performance issues as a SO...but so do a lot of folks. It was a weird new gig. He probably didn't make any friends, however, in indoc with a few "..that's NOT how we did this at company X..." and "...do we really have get that blazer?" (to Orlando Rosado no less...) during indoc. The well was poisoned. We have had guys on probation and not long after do some pretty stupid ****, or drop their guard for a moment and let the fun of the moment overwhelm their better judgement. Don't be that guy. NOQ on probation doesn't bode well for your job security.

4. Do not take on training alone and accept getting behind the power curve. First 121 gig? Your sim partner doesn't hang out or help you? Your sim instructors aren't as helpful as you'd like? It happens. 90% of the guys just stroll on through training. If for whatever reason you find yourself in the 10%, you won't be the first or the last. DO NOT wait until you are struggling to reach out and ask for help. Your sponsor is a great place to start. Still lost? Email me. We have friends in every training shop, and I personally know a bunch of instructors who have gone to the mat to help struggling students. The fact I made it through it two 727 upgrades, the MD-11, and most recently the 75/76 upgrade indicates we have some great instructors. I've never been ace of the base in any training--UPT, IPUG, or my airline training. My learning curve is good enough to stay out of trouble, and I catch up pretty fast, but everyone's slope is different. Having a rough week or two in sims is not an indicator of how good you'll be on the line, but might be an indicator of some particular issues you face this week. There are resources and people ready to help--just reach out. Don't be embarrassed if you find it a struggle--you are in the big leagues now and your job isn't to impress anyone-- it is to graduate and get on the line and start making money for your family.

5. Have some fun. Bring the spouse to Memphis to enjoy a weekend of food and shopping. Go home on your training breaks and love up on the family. Go to eat with your classmates a couple times a week and make a run down to Tunica one night. Ask lots of questions to guys who have been here a while, and if you don't have anyone in your crashpad or inner circle like that then reach out and find some. Perspective form a guy who has been here a while can be valuable in understand what IS a big deal and what is not. Keep reminding yourself that "training is NOT the line, training is NOT the line..." It gets to be fun, I promise. Remember my old squadron commander's mantra: "Knowledge is good, learning is painful..." Every day you are at FedEx your are moving up in seniority, and you'll get more money, more options, and more time off as time goes by. A corollary is "it will never suck more than it does right now..." If you understand that, you'll motor on through training with smile on your face.

6. Out of order, but rather than studying flows or manuals before class use the time to get your home life in order. Don't try to mix moving or other major live events (weddings, etc) around your training. Get it done, or postpone it until you are on the line. FWIW...I wouldn't pass up a class for almost any event, vacation, etc. Seniority is valuable, and will be valuable for decades ahead. Read "Timing your Exit" for my thoughts on that one...

7. Strap on a humble attitude. Going from leading 10 ship F-15 formations enforcing No-fly Zones in combat conditions or doing Red Flags to doing 2 am sims to learn to be a flight engineer felt like a step down at times. Going out 45 minutes before the Capt and FO to do the walk-around and prep the jet while carrying a coffee jug didn't seem all that glorious at the time. Making 3-4 times what I made as an F-15 pilot last year and having weeks and weeks off for hobbies and family was incredible. I couldn't have done the latter without doing the former, however, and I learned a hell of a lot from some great mentors along the way. Be proud of whatever you did before--GV captain, regional LCA, fighter pilot or airlift God...and take what you learned with you into the new arena. Just remember you can always learn something new, and the flexes and LCAs that are training you are ON YOUR SIDE. When I was doing 4 AM boxes two years ago getting checked out as a 76 captain, the facilities, hours, and infrastructure all sucked (that was before everything moved to the Gucci building. Its mo' better now) It would have been easy to get sour, but every time I showed for the sim the instructor was there at the table, fired up, ready to brief and excited to be there. It sort of squelched any inclination to start whining about the process. These guys were ready--and they were there to help. Give them your respect, attention, and effort and they will get your through.

Again--you aren't alone. Most of you will say "meh"...it wasn't that bad and was kind of fun. I hope so. If not--reach out. There are resources to help. Just be kind to those around you, because they want you to succeed as well. Remember that and you will be just fine...
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2. Any idea why perhaps those guys are suddenly getting the calls and your squadron mates are still waiting for the phone to ring? I'll give you three mother****ing guesses...
Not to hijack but I think there's a definite movement away from separated (Guard/Reserve), not retired, mil guys. Of the last 4 guys hired from my previous mil platform, all were retired. No separated guys were even offered an interview. I thought a few years back United had a formal complaint about lack of interviewing/hiring of Guard/Reservists.
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Old 02-04-2017, 04:55 PM   #14  
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As the FedEx Hiring thread is getting a little long winded, I thought I might start a new thread for the new year for the new hires

Since we’ve got a couple years of “new hires” now on property with W-2s and possibly holding lines, would some of you all like to share some data with the incoming new hires so we can all make the most educated guess on our fleet choice? I also welcome info from the all pilots willing to impart their wisdom on us.
(I know the system bid was recently, so seats available per aircraft might be useful as well)

Info I think would be useful, please add whatever you would like:
- month/year hired (or roughly when)
- aircraft / base (original assigned or changed)
- how long from DOH to activation (ie how long on training pay?)
- CH in recent years, days flown, RONs, etc
- How was your reserve life? (live in base, commute, crashpad expenses, bid first fly, etc)

- W-2 number would be nice for the first year but it doesn’t need to be public if you don’t want it out here (you can post anonymously if you’d like)

I start on Feb 20 and could not be more excited!
THANKS!
Few data points for you.
--A300 MEM assigned...low last 4 SSN
--2 weeks BI, 3 week break, 2.5 months to complete IOE, so roughly 4 months on training pay
--Sat night reserve for 1 month, VTO lines through summer, day reserve NOV, DEC (By choice). Hard line this Month JAN. Probably bounce between VTO and hard lines from here on out with occasional month of Day Reserve. Do not plan on night reserve again for a while.
--W2 for 2016, 3 months training pay, 8 months 1st year pay, 1 month year 2 pay, no extra and a few dropped trips. Low 70s.
-- I commute and it has been fairly easy so far. Only 1 oh crap moment but still made it. Easy commute for me, 1 leg usually on company AC but have 2 other airlines that fly direct to/from Memphis if needed. Use a crash pad about 2 night a month...friend who lives in Memphis spare room. FedEx sleep rooms more often for 5 hours at a time....commute in AM for afternoon launch.
-- Try to pick up company scheduled DHs that connect through my home airport. Went a month without seeing Memphis during the summer.
-- Always a crap shoot if my airport car is going to start. It sits for weeks at a time without being used.

Looking At the seniority list it looks like there is an even split between the new hires. Roughly 75 bodies on each airframe below me. IMHO it comes down to what type of flying you want to do. Long Haul International, Domestic, Mix of both? Day, night? Week on week off, 12 day around the world, AM out and backs, night hub turns? Movement is so fast right now it seems there is no real bad choice. Not going to sit sideways for 5 years at the bottom of the seniority list. Great time to be hired. As others have said, FedEx seems to be a bunch of different airlines with a variety of flying. Welcome aboard.
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Old 02-04-2017, 06:46 PM   #15  
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Couple of thoughts for new hires:
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3. Be a professional...on duty and off. Remember the new guy mantra at any fighter squadron..."never pass up the opportunity to shut your hole.." I have a friend who was terminated while on probation. He had some performance issues as a SO...but so do a lot of folks. It was a weird new gig. He probably didn't make any friends, however, in indoc with a few "..that's NOT how we did this at company X..." and "...do we really have get that blazer?" (to Orlando Rosado no less...) during indoc. The well was poisoned. We have had guys on probation and not long after do some pretty stupid ****, or drop their guard for a moment and let the fun of the moment overwhelm their better judgement. Don't be that guy. NOQ on probation doesn't bode well for your job security ........................................
Albief15 is a bit of a windbag, but I give him a big +1 on all his advice and a double ++1 on the one above.
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:07 PM   #16  
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OK...I'll throw ya some info. I was hired a year ago...

Base...Memphis unless you are asked if you would like a 75 to Cologne. I had someone recently ask me about the MD fleet and base assignment. You WILL NOT get LAX. Not sure about ANC but doubt it. A couple of my classmates bid for and were awarded ANC in the big bid we had last year.

Fleet wise you'll be hand picked for the MD and then asked if you'd like to fly it. Those folks typically are previously type rated in the fleet, flew C17s or KC135s or F18s. This could change but it's how it worked for my class and others I know.

If you don't go to the MD you will be racked and stacked according to the last 4 of your social...highest number wins. They'll then start with number 1 and tell him /her to pick one of the available planes. This varies by class so you could get all 777s, all 757s or anything in between. So I'd highly suggest speaking with someone here to figure out which fleet would be the best fit for you (BTW this will happen on day 1 for the Boeing /Airbus folks so already have your picks rank ordered when you show).
Slight differences from the last few months:

- As of recent, you get a "dream sheet" sent to you to fill out and return prior to Indoc. It just has you rank MEM 77, 76, 75, Airbus one through four. It needs to be submitted 1 or 2 weeks prior...forgot how many. A few days prior to class starting you MAY get an email asking if you want to go to an FDA or IND. The MD-11 guys were given their assignment and told to show up a day prior to get that extra day of seniority. But you know your assignment a few minutes after showing up on Day 1.

- Speaking of the -11, a few new hires have gone to ANC. Not sure if they asked or were just given the assignment, but it can happen.

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Great info and glad someone with more recent experience chimed in! Funny how quickly things can change.

As far as the car starting if it's been sitting there is a jumper pack in the AOC for checkout so they have that covered.

Oh and Albie what are these 727 and SO things of which you speak?

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- Speaking of the -11, a few new hires have gone to ANC. Not sure if they asked or were just given the assignment, but it can happen.

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Those accepting the 11 were offered ANC - they didn't have to take it.
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Albief15 is a bit of a windbag, but I give him a big +1 on all his advice and a double ++1 on the one above.
He does occasionally "Al Haig" the conversation.
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He does occasionally "Al Haig" the conversation.

I say we cut Albie some slack. He's one of the smartest guys in the airline hiring business.

I have a lot of respect for him and I really like his attitude ...


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