Flexjet: One year in
08-13-2022, 09:54 AM
#81
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 440
Originally Posted by ShrtSnorter
When you upgrade, do you start over at year one captain pay or move straight across to same year?
The Gulfstream program has a graduated scale based on years in the program AND years with the company.
but for all intents and purposes, you’ll slide over to X year captain pay when you upgrade.
01-21-2023, 11:59 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 49
Hey Siri, Write me an Essay on Flexjet
The QOL is definitely better than your average run of the mill 135. What you have to understand is, we are inferior to NetJets when it comes to retirement. Retirement is lacking here and KR knows it. Will that change, it may. With that being said, I’ll share my experience below:
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
01-21-2023, 03:00 PM
#85
Pathological Flyer
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 690
Originally Posted by TCASfail
The QOL is definitely better than your average run of the mill 135. What you have to understand is, we are inferior to NetJets when it comes to retirement. Retirement is lacking here and KR knows it. Will that change, it may. With that being said, I’ll share my experience below:
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
01-21-2023, 05:59 PM
#86
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 440
Originally Posted by TCASfail
The QOL is definitely better than your average run of the mill 135. What you have to understand is, we are inferior to NetJets when it comes to retirement. Retirement is lacking here and KR knows it. Will that change, it may. With that being said, I’ll share my experience below:
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
I’ve gotten a few friends hired here and I believe the quick upgrade is something to think about. I told them to interview at NetJets AND Flexjet. And 3 of my friends have decided to join me. DRL CA (Challenger/Praetor) is down to 14 months. PBS CA (Phenom) is down to 8. I know folks who have gotten ILC CA (G450, among other large cabins) in under a year. There’s unique opportunities available depending on what your goals are. Pay becomes decent once Captain can be held. Right now there is a 24 month seat lock if you are in a midsize jet and upgrade into the phenom. Rumor is a 12 month seatlock will be instilled if you upgrade from right to left seat in phenom. Im not sure how accurate this is. There may be changes in the coming months, maybe weeks. As a PBS FO, I was able to have major holidays off. And a rotation is a nonevent. I don’t even talk about work when I’m home unless the in-laws ask me “where are you flying to tomorrow?” And I have to answer the question for the 1 millionth time: “I have no idea, pass me the potatoes.”
At the end of the day, in the 135/91k world, you have to be gone away from home to bring home the bacon. This is different than a airline when you live in base and can bid LCR and be at home all the time and make the monthly guarantee while also making 17% direct contribution. I’m not in an airline hub so I couldn’t do that without headache, although I’ve thought about it and commuting.
Flexjet pays for my parking or Uber from my doorstep to the airport on day 1. Pays for all food expenses on the road. Schedule flexibility is different than Netjets. As DRL, you’d have to get guys to cover for you for a vacation. This can be done while the schedule is being built with the other 2 pilots. Instead for example at Netjets, you would take 7 days off of a 7/7, and you have 21 days off automatically. I’ve flown my family in the Flexjet plane I fly. I was able to coordinate with dispatch for a short reposition. That was awesome, but it’s not like I can list myself as standby on Delta heading to the Canary Islands in first class.
They are extremely flexible with calling in sick for an emergency, whether on day 0 or in the middle of the rotation. They take your word for it, and don’t ask for a sick note or proof. I’ve had house emergencies, kid being sick, and me being sick. All approved. My friends at NetJets however have had the Bridgeway 1 arrival after their first sick call. If you don’t know what that is, just imagine their chief pilot drilling you about why you called in sick, and why you may not have checked into the hotel (yes NetJets tracks this; very creepy).
All the captains I fly with are very cautious and by the book when it comes to safety. This is very appealing to me as I have friends at mom and pop 135s where they discourage writing up the plane in order to keep revenue constant.
Flexjet is different, but in a good way. I made more than my friends at NetJets year 1. But will this always be the case, maybe not. If NetJets gets a pay increase, will we get one too? I hope so, since we don’t have a union. Do your research, make your decision. It’s not for everyone, but flying isn’t either. If you wanted to see your kid every nights maybe go to Allegiant or work for FlightSafety. We are pilots, and we are merely transportation tools.
This post is 100% spot on. Been here +/- 2 years, and never been happier at any of my other jobs, to include 121. I understand I may be an oddball, but I love everything about my last two years. I’m typing this as I wait for my $150 bill that’s going on the company card.
01-22-2023, 05:04 PM
#87
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 8
Thanks for the information
Originally Posted by Flightsoffusion
Hung on every word. Appreciate the post..
01-23-2023, 03:22 AM
#88
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 50
Originally Posted by Falconpilot20
Any advice from ya'll on anything helpful to study before my start date on February 28th? Coming from a 135 as an FO, Very excited for FlexJet. Is the the training especially difficult or pretty run of the mill?
01-23-2023, 07:57 PM
#89
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 278
Originally Posted by DiveAndDrive
I’m typing this as I wait for my $150 bill that’s going on the company card.
It’s not perfect, but still better than anywhere else I’ve worked, by far.
01-23-2023, 08:01 PM
#90
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 278
Originally Posted by Falconpilot20
Any advice from ya'll on anything helpful to study before my start date on February 28th? Coming from a 135 as an FO, Very excited for FlexJet. Is the the training especially difficult or pretty run of the mill?
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