Route66

When unions don’t value their own seniority systems, there is the lesson. The APA (and ALPA indirectly, which is why US Airways pilots got rid of them) singlehandedly got McCaskill-Bond established but the Options/Flexjet Pilots got that law covered: they decertified the union that used that law and invalidated it.

Flying the line vols. 1&2 tell the tale-prederegulation but the rest is being written now. Of course your answer will be “scab, scab, scab!

But the real answer is deeper than name calling. I think the options/flex guys have had enough of that. ALPA won’t spend the money on any case study. Their too busy enjoying the use of their members cash in their pockets.

Blutarsky

They don't need a case study. It's so obvious to anyone of intelligence that Union pilots have better lifestyles than non Union pilots that the members can just sit back and enjoy the use of the cash the Union has put in their pockets...

Flytolive

Actually, ALPA and ALPA MECs have spent tremendous time and resources on ensuring that seniority rules and that integrations are done in the most fair manner possible. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is pilots seem incapable of looking beyond their short term interests with regards to their personal seniority otherwise there would be more examples of seniority integrations that were agreed upon without arbitrated decisions.

We get it. As a Piedmont pilot you have been through the merger wringer. The timing of your rantings is ironic as consolidation is waning and pilots are enjoying stable and relatively lucrative contracts. Your protestations and predictions of unions' doom and gloom are five to ten years late to have the slightest bit of resonance. Flexjet is the exception that proves the rule and will be a cautionary tale for others against such obvious stupidity.

Fly Dog

So you think the majority of Flexjet pilots are stupid? That’s like saying most doctors are stupid and don’t know what they’re doing.


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Route66

Spoken like a true “rear-view mirror” observation. Consolidation never wanes. Alaska is rumored for merger again. Jet blue, allegiance, Spirit and others are around and available. Rankings? One mans beauty....

Again. Name calling. Flexjet simply desires to seek their own destiny. Unionism, at least the kind you seem to espouse, is in the eyes of the beholder. The market place rules and when you strip pilots out of LOS because the arbitrator(s) who have never been in the profession seek to destroy the unity we once had. Arbitrators are supposed to be between companies and employees(unions)....NEVER between employees only. No core principles, no unity.

Route66

Why don’t you step up to the American thread and read how good APA is negotiating with the company in relation to a Delta pilots. APA Pilots p.... & moan about how great everyone else is doing yet the company pays us what they want to. Whiners almost to a (wo)man.

Same ole, same ole.

ThomasMagnum

I bet you’re a real ton of fun on an overnight. Well, at least maybe the once or twice a year you don’t get slam clicked on accident.

Flytolive

And you can merge those last two into AA & Alaska.

FNGFO

You can do something remarkably stupid without being a stupid person. True story.

I would say that many of the decerters intentionally chose to be ignorant of their choices. I can point to a member of the “Finger” committee who’s made it clear by his posting that he’s both dishonest and he hasn’t the first clue about the organizing process or history of the 1108 at NJ’s. No one would call him “stupid” per se. Many would call his actions incredibly stupid.

Look, I’d rather be wrong and 2NN be right and grow FJ into the dominant Frac player with his brand of management. I have a lot of friends who are still there, and I’d rather they succeed than what’s probably going to happen to them.

But I’m not wrong. You can’t crew your planes as is, and another 20-30% of the pilot group is looking to exit right the hell now. Fractional flying is very hard work, and you’re not going to attract pilot candidates with the current pay, schedules, QOL and interesting ideas about seniority. And that’s before you add in Ricci’s dedication to to playing in the gray if not pushing outright illegal actions. Remember too that Kenn believes in rewarding his chosen few and the rest can leave. And he’s consistent about it

Flex is done. About your only hope to staff it to acquire another company and hope that that pilot group doesn’t run away from your management style too.

Flytolive

I think the majority of the Flexjet pilots made a stupid decision that will become evident in the not too distant future.

I get it. You are a 'new-hire', and are probably completely unaware that unions are the reason why you and all pilots enjoy above individual market rates of compensation even now as non-union pilots. Enjoy the short term windfall at your fellow pilots' expense because it probably will be short lived.