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Old 05-31-2018, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by howardhughes8 View Post
Wow, not even close!!!
49 votes, or about the amount of new hires they promised out of seniority upgrades. If 49 had voted for representation, we would have been deadlocked. So closer than you think at first glance.
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Old 05-31-2018, 04:54 AM
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Anyone want to prognosticate who is the first one (are the first ones) terminated? As a bonus, call the time when the purge starts! I'll start: original Flex organizing committee members and eboard members. It will start before the weekend.
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Old 05-31-2018, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66 View Post
Well, so far so good for Flexjet pilots:
Doesn’t sound bad to me. Guess you’ll just have to see how the year turns out.
Route 66 is union hater, scab wannabe not a FlexJet pilot thus his gross ignorance.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
Route 66 is union hater, scab wannabe not a FlexJet pilot thus his gross ignorance.
Flytolive is a liberal left wing antifa scumbag who doesn’t believe pilots can make intelligent decisions for themselves. Flytolive has to call people names, threaten people with violence, has a low IQ and his only repartee is to demean anyone who doesn’t march to his low standards of Aviation. He and those like him are the reasons 1108 lost. Think about it. It’s happening at the major airlines too.

Pay NO attention to the “Flytolive” behind the curtain.

There. Doesn’t that kind of diatribe make you “pro-union”liberals feel better and accomplished now? As your titanic is sinking around you dont you think it’s time to think that maybe you’re looking at the way labor is doing business is DOING IT WRONG or are new and better ways available to accomplish our professions goals?

I just don’t believe pilots will gain. History repeats itself with us, we always attack and demean others instead of trying to fix what’s wrong. Sounds like the democrat party.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:35 AM
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Like flex jet fine good for you. Hate flex jet fine good for you. Quit (if you work there) everyone wins. Want to work there you will have better QOL flying single pilot freight. Just saying. Same thing can be said of regional pilots as well.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post
1. Longevity benefits the transfers who took big metal out of seniority. It screws the FJ pilots to the tune of about 100 spots in seniority.

2. Wow, even you can make mid $70k working your a$$ of on an 8/6 schedule in the Ricci sweat shop. You realize that even the lowest paid ULCC’s are making $100k+ by year 2 with far better QOL, retirement, medical and benefits and far less work than the right seat of a Phenom or Lear right?

3. Yay. More money to be crammed into a Phenis Lego Jet.

4. Voluntary OT. The mythical Ricci rabbit. It’s all involuntary. You’re already on the road 17-19 days a month.

5. You mean those pieces of paper your V.P. of Red Label loudly proclaimed to be not worth the paper they were written on, but you better sign or else?

Your pilots got bent over in the first 30 minutes after the vote, and there will be no retention or hiring. You have 20+ uncrewed planes a day, can’t get guys to finish indoc or OE once they realize they’ll be in a Phenom for a decade instead of a Challenger, and have another 150-200 ready to march out the door in the next 18 months. FJ is a dead man walking, and youre whistling past the graveyard to believe otherwise.
Let’s be clear, I do not believe that a career F/O is anyone’s aspiration and will be where attrition for any carrier less than a legacy will retain pilots. From my discussion with many of the pilots who voted against 1108 it was the loss of the LOS that was stripped from the, because of the arbitration. I’m not surprised at this. And here Again is the reason unions are losing their grips. Cross-group unity is sparce at best. Look, Ricci probably isn’t going to pay major salaries, there is no surprise. But you will see improvements over the year or then you can expect a union push next year. Even the airline union model here at the legacy American is weak because of poor contract language. Give the LEC rep here in Charlotte a call and ask hi, how bad the scheduling (rescheduling) provisions are over here. The Dallas LEC and Dallas President runs the show.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 100LL View Post
Like flex jet fine good for you. Hate flex jet fine good for you. Quit (if you work there) everyone wins. Want to work there you will have better QOL flying single pilot freight. Just saying. Same thing can be said of regional pilots as well.
Thank you for saying in a short statement what I sometimes take twice as long to say.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22 View Post
These are the new FO pay rates at Flex.

The increased ones.

NetJets currently offers a maximum pay rate of $140,000 for FOs at year 13 and 3 years into the CBA.

That’s a $60,000 disparity from what I’m seeing. Plus benefits, 401K, representation, etc.

Just the beginning guys. Get those apps in!

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I don’t have NJ salaries available but if Ricci wants pilots, like everyone else (including American) they will be paying competitive salaries or he won’t get pilots. Look, this supply and demand situation has the potential to play out well for the profession if labor could start thinking outside the box and be willing to be more inclusive across Company platforms. They call those things SOPs.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66 View Post
As your titanic is sinking around you don't (sic) you think it’s time to think that maybe you’re looking at the way labor is doing business is DOING IT WRONG or are new and better ways available to accomplish our professions goals?
Airline pilot compensation has doubled in the last five years and you characterize it as the Titanic sinking. Who is that guy talking to himself? Route66.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22 View Post
These are the new FO pay rates at Flex.

The increased ones.

NetJets currently offers a maximum pay rate of $140,000 for FOs at year 13 and 3 years into the CBA.

That’s a $60,000 disparity from what I’m seeing. Plus benefits, 401K, representation, etc.

Just the beginning guys. Get those apps in!

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Does Flex have 12 year FOs? NOPE
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