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01-02-2020, 12:36 PM

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Yes sir. Pending seniority availability etc. Most don't upgrade. Just stay FOs

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What?? But the pay is the same for FO’s no matter what airplane and it tops out in three years.

01-02-2020, 12:41 PM

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What?? But the pay is the same for FO’s no matter what airplane and it tops out in three years.

Frozen at year 5 pay for new hires through end of year 4.

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01-02-2020, 12:42 PM

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Check the employee handbook. Seatlock is 39 months.

I am aware of what the handbook says. They're currently offering 24 month agreement you sign.

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01-02-2020, 01:07 PM

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Frozen at year 5 pay for new hires through end of year 4.

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And FO’s are ok with that? They feel their pay is enough just so long as they get to stay in the same airplane?

01-02-2020, 01:13 PM

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And FO’s are ok with that? They feel their pay is enough just so long as they get to stay in the same airplane?

Wont say they are ok with it. Most want the PIC time for other things and suck it up. Others don't care.

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01-02-2020, 02:50 PM

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Wont say they are ok with it. Most want the PIC time for other things and suck it up. Others don't care.

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That seems like it would be a deal breaker for a lot of potential candidates.

01-02-2020, 06:53 PM

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My new hire class had 6 guys, a exact mix of military and civilian pilots. The two tallest guys got the phenom and the rest of us got the legacy. Sorry to say if you’re to tall they cut you is bs! The tallest guy in my class was easily 6’4”. He’s doing fine on the line

So just to clarify the tallest guys in your class got put on the phenom?? You are kinda proving my point. You say they are doing fine, but what if they did not fit? What happens to them? You are saying that the information I am passing along is BS. Information that I have gathered from speaking to several people that have worked there for a very long time. 2 of these individuals are even on the red label. So tell me then, What happens at Flex to a guy who is a new hire and the class is all phenom but he doesn't fit in the plane? Before you answer try asking some guys in the know.

01-02-2020, 06:58 PM

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There was a guy, Nebraska farm guy type, 6'6" 250 got the phenom. Remember him hurting greatly. Seat all the way back knees still in his chest. He tried getting out of it with management. Needless to say he left within 3 months of coming on line. Even the IP went to bat for him and it was what it was.

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01-02-2020, 07:02 PM

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That seems like it would be a deal breaker for a lot of potential candidates.

Seeing as they don't usually tell you until it's too late to go back most guys are stuck. Its unfortunate. My advice is save 2 weeks of vacation or something before you fully leave. The Phenis is a good plane to fly, but a terrible aircraft to work in. The seats are the worst I've ever felt. Doing a 4 hour leg literally hurts. Many of the long timers go out on medical for back problems. Think about this.... 60% TURNOVER in the phenom. Average of 16 a month LEAVING the company because of the phenom.

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01-02-2020, 07:23 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Phenom 300's outside of NetJets have more legroom? NetJets has the larger galley and they moved the cockpit bulkhead up a few inches. That's why so many guys fit test out of NJA Phenom's.

I'm 5'10" with a 30" pants leg length and I still had 1 click left on NJA's Phenom rudder pedals. I had no problem with longer flights, they were pretty rare anyway.