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AA717driver 11-11-2023 11:31 AM

Pref bidding has been around since 2000--at least. Why is it so difficult to buy a program that takes care of the pilot's needs? This is especially true here. All they need is a warm body in both seats every day of the month.

It wasn't good at AA and it's obviously not good here.

Halpilot 11-11-2023 12:35 PM

Thanks for clarifying. I defiinitely missed something, as I thought I read somewhere that all DRL pilots were 'captains'.


Originally Posted by TexasLonghorn (Post 3723076)
Yes, you're missing the fact that the three of you are only responsible for keeping one half of the aircraft crewed. The SICs all come from the company's currently shambolic PBS bid system and rotate through while the PICs remain (in theory) with their aircraft. Two PICs want Christmas off? Cool, the third takes it. One PIC wants 21 days off in a row? The other two work a 8/6 or 7/5 or whatever they want to during that time to keep the aircraft covered and you throw them a bone as a thank you.


Halpilot 11-11-2023 12:42 PM

At my previous 121 carrier, the early iterations of PBS were garbage, and required extensive 'intervention and manipulation' by the pilot scheduling committee. However, for about the last 8 years or so, they used a PBS program that is called 'NavBlue' (which I believe is an Airbus product). From what I know, it is strictly seniority based, and works well. The more seniority you have, the better it works. Full disclosure.....I have been pretty senior my last 8 years, which may account for my generally positive review.



Originally Posted by AA717driver (Post 3723222)
Pref bidding has been around since 2000--at least. Why is it so difficult to buy a program that takes care of the pilot's needs? This is especially true here. All they need is a warm body in both seats every day of the month.

It wasn't good at AA and it's obviously not good here.


MidnightHauler 11-11-2023 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Halpilot (Post 3723235)
Thanks for clarifying. I defiinitely missed something, as I thought I read somewhere that all DRL pilots were 'captains'.

DRL teams are three captains. SICs are on PBS, therefore not assigned to specific aircraft tail numbers.

followingdreams 11-11-2023 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by Halpilot (Post 3723235)
Thanks for clarifying. I defiinitely missed something, as I thought I read somewhere that all DRL pilots were 'captains'.

All ILC (i.e.Gulfstream and Global) pilots are Captains. I believe they have a team of 8 to cover both seats.

AkPilot99 11-12-2023 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by followingdreams (Post 3723379)
All ILC (i.e.Gulfstream and Global) pilots are Captains. I believe they have a team of 8 to cover both seats.

We have a team of 5 pilots and 2 cabin servers.

AA717driver 11-12-2023 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by AkPilot99 (Post 3723435)
We have a team of 5 pilots and 2 cabin servers.

And floaters to cover shortages?

TexasLonghorn 11-12-2023 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by AkPilot99 (Post 3723435)
We have a team of 5 pilots and 2 cabin servers.

Weve still not gotten our first CS and have been told we won't get a second in 2024 so take that info for what it is.


Originally Posted by AA717driver (Post 3723476)
And floaters to cover shortages?

There are floaters technically but currently only one in the G450 fleet so you cannot rely upon them for help. The idea is the 5 pilots work together to cover shortages within your own tail.

AkPilot99 11-12-2023 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by TexasLonghorn (Post 3723590)
Weve still not gotten our first CS and have been told we won't get a second in 2024 so take that info for what it is.

There are floaters technically but currently only one in the G450 fleet so you cannot rely upon them for help. The idea is the 5 pilots work together to cover shortages within your own tail.

That sucks. We are about to lose our CS to another opportunity… and have yet to get a second. Not sure what the plan is from the company because a lot of teams only have one if that… The company seems to like the contractors…

TexasLonghorn 11-12-2023 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by AkPilot99 (Post 3723598)
That sucks. We are about to lose our CS to another opportunity… and have yet to get a second. Not sure what the plan is from the company because a lot of teams only have one if that… The company seems to like the contractors…

Weve been having a lot of very sharp Flexjet Europe CS on our tail recently, all of whom have done admirably but the last one I was talking to said her ticket from CDG-JFK was $3300, how they can justify spending that on a weekly basis instead of compensating our American based CS more is beyond me.


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