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SCT3600 12-10-2023 05:54 AM

Hiring Mins 3000?
 
Heard that flexjet is upping their hiring mins to 3000TT in 2024???? Can any flex guys confirm this??
I heard they were already having a difficult time hiring quality and qualified pilots, seems like this will just make their attrition worse than it already is. Seems like Kenn Ricci isnt making the best decisions for his pilots anymore

rickair7777 12-10-2023 07:12 AM

Depends. If they have safety data showing problems which correlate to lower time, it might be better to impair growth than start crashing airplanes.


Or maybe the customers care about pilot stats?

TeamSasquatch 12-10-2023 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3734584)
Depends. If they have safety data showing problems which correlate to lower time, it might be better to impair growth than start crashing airplanes.


Or maybe the customers care about pilot stats?

I wonder if this is related to the one they crashed this year?

fa22raptor 12-10-2023 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch (Post 3734692)
I wonder if this is related to the one they crashed this year?

You would think so but that crew was incredibly experienced according to the preliminary NTSB report. Over 27k hours of combined experience between the two pilots.

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/193114/pdf

WiskeyTango 12-10-2023 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by SCT3600 (Post 3734552)
Heard that flexjet is upping their hiring mins to 3000TT in 2024???? Can any flex guys confirm this??
I heard they were already having a difficult time hiring quality and qualified pilots, seems like this will just make their attrition worse than it already is. Seems like Kenn Ricci isnt making the best decisions for his pilots anymore

Yes, it's true. 3000 hours min now. Too many of you guys have been showing up for a year and then bailing. Their data shows that higher time new hires are more likely to stay.

fa22raptor 12-10-2023 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by WiskeyTango (Post 3734748)
Yes, it's true. 3000 hours min now. Too many of you guys have been showing up for a year and then bailing. Their data shows that higher time new hires are more likely to stay.

Hopefully there is some acknowledgement within management that 3000 hr pilots command a pay premium over 1500 hr pilots. In this market a 3000 hr pilot could basically work anywhere with a clean record and decent interview.

WiskeyTango 12-10-2023 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by fa22raptor (Post 3734749)
Hopefully there is some acknowledgement within management that 3000 hr pilots command a pay premium over 1500 hr pilots. In this market a 3000 hr pilot could basically work anywhere with a clean record and decent interview.

sorta. They are also raisng new hire pay, a rather decent chunk it sounds like.

TCASfail 12-10-2023 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by WiskeyTango (Post 3734750)
sorta. They are also raisng new hire pay, a rather decent chunk it sounds like.

compensation does not equal base pay. I saw the numbers shared. Year 5 and beyond was the same pay.
step 1: only hire 3,000TT pilots
step 2: pay new hires more
step 3: continue to lose pilots to the airlines.
step 4: realize the mistake made in step 1

WiskeyTango 12-10-2023 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by TCASfail (Post 3734765)
compensation does not equal base pay. I saw the numbers shared. Year 5 and beyond was the same pay.
step 1: only hire 3,000TT pilots
step 2: pay new hires more
step 3: continue to lose pilots to the airlines.
step 4: realize the mistake made in step 1

not sure what you mean by compensation does not equal base pay. Yes new hire pay was increased. They have not released final numbers but it was not an equal across the board raise.

They are trying to hire pilots who don't want to go to the airlines. They have some exit data they are using to try and weed those folks out. Higher more experinced piltos is part of it, with the theoryh that if those pilots wanted to go to the airlines they already would have. I dunno if it'll work but that's their theory. Honesly I'll be happy to fly with more experienced FOs.

fa22raptor 12-10-2023 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by TCASfail (Post 3734765)
compensation does not equal base pay. I saw the numbers shared. Year 5 and beyond was the same pay.
step 1: only hire 3,000TT pilots
step 2: pay new hires more
step 3: continue to lose pilots to the airlines.
step 4: realize the mistake made in step 1

Another thing interesting about step one is that I can’t imagine a line out the door of 3000 hr pilots wanting to be Phenom SIC for any amount of time in the current market.


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