UND Vs ERUA
04-11-2017, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rnfnr
Coming from someone who graduated with a bachelor's degree in aviation flight science, I have to reiterate what was said by those earlier in this thread; get a degree in something other than aviation. Engineering, finance, business...anything! The 500 hour reduction that an aviation degree gets you isn't all that significant IMO.
04-12-2017, 01:45 PM
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Want the full ERAU experience without the soul-crushing debt and lifetime of regret and ridicule?
Grab a FAR/AIM, a box of multi-colored highlighters and your favorite tub of lube.
Lock yourself in the bathroom, and don't come out until you're completely out of lube and every. single. page. of that FAR/AIM is covered in no less than four different colors, top to bottom.
ANY white space remaining is grounds for immediate dismissal, so pay attention!
Or just do what everyone else here is saying; get a degree in something useful, something you find interesting and something that will provide a good fallback option when this career rears its ugly head and bites yours off. Stay in-state if possible, unless you've got scholarships available out of state.
Study something that will be future-ready; AI, robotics, solar, etc etc.
This career will look drastically different by the time you get to where I am, and even more so by the time you hit mandatory retirement at 92.
And for god's sake, stay away from Riddle. We have enough tools in this shed already.
Grab a FAR/AIM, a box of multi-colored highlighters and your favorite tub of lube.
Lock yourself in the bathroom, and don't come out until you're completely out of lube and every. single. page. of that FAR/AIM is covered in no less than four different colors, top to bottom.
ANY white space remaining is grounds for immediate dismissal, so pay attention!
Or just do what everyone else here is saying; get a degree in something useful, something you find interesting and something that will provide a good fallback option when this career rears its ugly head and bites yours off. Stay in-state if possible, unless you've got scholarships available out of state.
Study something that will be future-ready; AI, robotics, solar, etc etc.
This career will look drastically different by the time you get to where I am, and even more so by the time you hit mandatory retirement at 92.
And for god's sake, stay away from Riddle. We have enough tools in this shed already.
04-12-2017, 02:01 PM
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If you're medically qualified, consider ROTC and competing for a flying slot. I know a lot of people bash active duty right now and I get it, because I was there once too- but some people really like it. If active duty sounds awful, try getting a guard or reserve flying slot to get military flying training on your record. You will come out of that with your commercial/single/multi/instrument ratings after one year of training. If this interests you, my advice would be to at least get a private license and get some hours under your belt to be competitive for a flying slot.. and to make connections at units early.
04-12-2017, 04:16 PM
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you also might want to consider training first, such as ATP ( im currently doing this) getting all your ratings quick, get a job flying, build hours and get a degree from a college like Utah Valley where your ratings transfer into credits (it is also 2 years in credits from your ratings, so might as well use them)
04-12-2017, 05:37 PM
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I went to ERAU in DB. And my wife went to UND. So I think I have a pretty good comparison of the two. Unless the state of North Dakota changed the rules between when my wife went through school and when you go through school, you can qualify for in state tuition 6 months after getting a North Dakota address and driver's license (? Don't quote me on it. But it was relatively quick). That's huge cost savings. However, no matter how much you pay me, you can't get me to spend any time in North Dakota. That place is only suitable for political dissidents in Soviet Union. Like someone already mentioned, try to get your flying done as soon as possible and instruct before you graduate no matter where you go. And join flying team/flight team because that may lead to some free flight team, on top of improving your skills to the nth degree. And lastly, if I had to do it all over again, I would just go to Ohio State. You get to experience the real college experience with big 10 football/basketball and still enjoy the same level of recognition as UND/Riddle
04-13-2017, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rnfnr
Coming from someone who graduated with a bachelor's degree in aviation flight science, I have to reiterate what was said by those earlier in this thread; get a degree in something other than aviation. Engineering, finance, business...anything! The 500 hour reduction that an aviation degree gets you isn't all that significant IMO.
Regardless of what degree you choose to pursue, if I were in your shoes I'd choose UND. Closer to home for you (keep your fridge stocked with meals from parents). There will be more diverse weather for your flight training. It'll be nice being at a school that doesn't revolve solely around aviation, which would give you a true college experience (not sure if ERAU provides that?). And yes, there will be a lot more ladies there
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Do your flight training on the side, and if you play your cards right you can CFI at UND while you're finishing school. *This is key*.
Don't be too worried about a flow right now. The industry is constantly changing, and you don't want to be locked into any type of contract so early on.
The university's stamp (for flight training) is not as big of a deal as you may think.
I wouldn't consider one schools training program superior to the other; both are great schools for aviation.
As far as return on investment - just because an individual pays more to get their education at ERAU, doesn't mean they're going to earn more throughout their career.
And definitely knock out as many transferable credits as you possibly can at a community college.
Good luck!
Regardless of what degree you choose to pursue, if I were in your shoes I'd choose UND. Closer to home for you (keep your fridge stocked with meals from parents). There will be more diverse weather for your flight training. It'll be nice being at a school that doesn't revolve solely around aviation, which would give you a true college experience (not sure if ERAU provides that?). And yes, there will be a lot more ladies there
. Do your flight training on the side, and if you play your cards right you can CFI at UND while you're finishing school. *This is key*.
Don't be too worried about a flow right now. The industry is constantly changing, and you don't want to be locked into any type of contract so early on.
The university's stamp (for flight training) is not as big of a deal as you may think.
I wouldn't consider one schools training program superior to the other; both are great schools for aviation.
As far as return on investment - just because an individual pays more to get their education at ERAU, doesn't mean they're going to earn more throughout their career.
And definitely knock out as many transferable credits as you possibly can at a community college.
Good luck!
Awesome advice from everyone on this thread,
Here is another question for everyone considering the more economical route of the community college and then transferring:
How would I go about getting a private loan for all of my ratings? I would go down this route, but I'm probably one of the more lucky students who has a boatload of financial aid that covers almost all of my tuition cost along with 20-35% of my flight training at UND. So this might change people's answers.
Thanks again to everyone for some great advice. Means a lot to me, and hopefully, in 4 1/2 or so years I'll join you guys up in the skies in the right seat of a RJ or ERJ
04-14-2017, 07:57 AM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Western Michigan. When I was first looking at schools I also had only considered UND and ERAU. We literally were driving from NY to ND to visit UND when we saw a WMU billboard.
Pros
-The school itself is like any other big state school with more girls than guys.
-In state tuition after your first year.
-average 4 year aviation degree earned in 3 to 3.5 years
-the cirrus are fun to fly
-you can instruct there as soon as you have CFI
Cons
-almost too easy
Realistically, there is not much difference between what I consider the top 4 in no particular order: ERAU, Purdue, UND, WMU. You'll have a great time at all.
****couple side note********
-The regionals are here (WMU) every week doing interviews, trying to take away as many students as they can, begging you to go with their company. That's a pro!
-WHEREVER YOU GO, GET YOUR PRIVATE PILOT BEFORE GOING AWAY TO SCHOOL. This will not only save thousands but also save 1-1.5 years of sitting around doing nothing. I was able to graduate in 2.5 years because of this
Pros
-The school itself is like any other big state school with more girls than guys.
-In state tuition after your first year.
-average 4 year aviation degree earned in 3 to 3.5 years
-the cirrus are fun to fly
-you can instruct there as soon as you have CFI
Cons
-almost too easy
Realistically, there is not much difference between what I consider the top 4 in no particular order: ERAU, Purdue, UND, WMU. You'll have a great time at all.
****couple side note********
-The regionals are here (WMU) every week doing interviews, trying to take away as many students as they can, begging you to go with their company. That's a pro!
-WHEREVER YOU GO, GET YOUR PRIVATE PILOT BEFORE GOING AWAY TO SCHOOL. This will not only save thousands but also save 1-1.5 years of sitting around doing nothing. I was able to graduate in 2.5 years because of this
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