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jrav8r 09-29-2017 03:31 PM

Flying and getting A&P
 
Hi everyone, I'm a flight instructor with CFI/CFII/MEI looking to get my a&p. I have done aircraft maintenance in the past, but it wasn't signed off by an a&p. I was wondering if it would be more beneficial to go to a technical school? Or find a employer that's willing to allow me to work and sign me off for the tests. However I would still like to fly in the mean time.

Thanks.

rickair7777 09-29-2017 03:45 PM

What are your ultimate goals? If it's airlines, just focus on flying until you're at your career destination airline at which time you'll the time and money for whatever hobbies you want to pursue (including A&P).

If you're more interested in part 91/135 flying, or bush flying, then an A&P may be an enabler of your flying career.

jrav8r 09-29-2017 04:13 PM

I would like to get my a&p before I go to a "real job". I would ultimately like to end up at the airlines.

geosync 10-04-2017 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by jrav8r (Post 2438603)
Hi everyone, I'm a flight instructor with CFI/CFII/MEI looking to get my a&p. I have done aircraft maintenance in the past, but it wasn't signed off by an a&p. I was wondering if it would be more beneficial to go to a technical school? Or find a employer that's willing to allow me to work and sign me off for the tests. However I would still like to fly in the mean time.

Thanks.

There is a benefit to both: the school option is structured with a good foundation in general knowledge. Apprenticing is great because obviously you learn the real world way of doing things. However, you're at the mercy of the employer, so if you have a falling out, that can ruin your plans(seen it happen).

Ideally you could do both- enroll in school and wrench on the side. But if there is no school near, and you can wrench at the place you teach, then maybe that is a better option.

If there is a school near and you can manage the time commitment then go for it. HOWEVER, DON'T PAY FOR A PRIVATE TECH SCHOOL. ONLY GO TO A CITY/JUNIOR COLLEGE PROGRAM. Private tech schools cost like $40k for the same A&P that you get from a junior college program that costs 3-4k total. Don't fall into that trap!

JohnBurke 10-05-2017 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by jrav8r (Post 2438603)
Hi everyone, I'm a flight instructor with CFI/CFII/MEI looking to get my a&p. I have done aircraft maintenance in the past, but it wasn't signed off by an a&p. I was wondering if it would be more beneficial to go to a technical school? Or find a employer that's willing to allow me to work and sign me off for the tests. However I would still like to fly in the mean time.

Thanks.

You should be aware that the FAA requirement for experience as an A&P is 18 months for the airframe, or 18 months for the powerplant, or 30 combined months work experience for both; that experience is defined as a 40 hour work week doing aircraft maintenance.

kingsnake2 10-05-2017 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by jrav8r (Post 2438632)
I would like to get my a&p before I go to a "real job". I would ultimately like to end up at the airlines.

If you ultimately want to end up at a Part 121 airline, I'd suggest skipping A&P and just doing flight training/flight instruction.

JohnBurke 10-14-2017 09:20 PM

Maintenance training and experience is never wrong. It's useful to you even if you never intend to go to work as a mechanic.

That said, what's taught in a school is very basic, indeed even lacking, as there's a lot more to learn in practice. Likewise, if you go to work at a single facility working on a limited type of aircraft or few aircraft and a narrow scope operation, you'll miss out on a great deal of what a mechanic should know. Bottom line is that the real schooling doesn't come quickly and doesn't come in school.

rickair7777 10-15-2017 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2447436)
Maintenance training and experience is never wrong. It's useful to you even if you never intend to go to work as a mechanic.

True, but I've got plenty of technical, engineering, and mx knowledge and experience and it helps with the job, but it never moved my career ahead any faster. Liberal arts majors who stayed focused on punching flying tickets are senior to me.

kevbo 10-17-2017 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by kingsnake2 (Post 2441898)
If you ultimately want to end up at a Part 121 airline, I'd suggest skipping A&P and just doing flight training/flight instruction.

I suggest skipping it period. I went to an A&P school and felt like I wasted a lot of time. The training is nothing more than a 50s era government vo-tech program aimed squarely at high school drop outs. The certificate has very little to offer since ANYONE can work on an airplane and NO ONE ever got in trouble for doing it without an A&P! A PPL allows you to perform most common maintenance should you feel the need to get dirty. If thats not enough, find pilot/A&P buddy to vouch for your experience and go take the test. Then you can proudly sign the logbook after replacing a cylinder on your Bonanza! LOL.

kevbo 10-17-2017 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by kingsnake2 (Post 2441898)
If you ultimately want to end up at a Part 121 airline, I'd suggest skipping A&P and just doing flight training/flight instruction.

I suggest skipping it period. I went to an A&P school and felt like I wasted a lot of time. The training is nothing more than a 50s era government vo-tech program aimed squarely at high school drop outs. The certificate has very little to offer since ANYONE can work on an airplane and NO ONE ever got in trouble for doing it without an A&P! Once you are a pilot, find another pilot/A&P to vouch for your experience and go take the test. Then you can proudly sign the logbook after replacing a cylinder on your Bonanza! Your PPL allows you to perform most common maintenance anyway.


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