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Old 03-16-2018, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
The difference between an airplane and a horse is the horse has an innate sense of its own survival; a plane doesn’t. The plane could not care less if you crash and, once airborne, only you can bring it safely back to Earth. As I suggested, read thru the NTSB/FAA accident reports involving turbine-powered, owner-operated airplanes. It’s chilling and EVERYONE one of those pilots thought they were smarter than the “system”; that is, their instruction, their limitations and their aircraft.

You have reached out to professionals engaged in aviation as pilot and asked for advice. The total years flight experience represented here to you easily equates to many lifetimes. When you haven’t received the answers you sought; your response wasn’t humble or thoughtful; it many times was dismissive or insulting. Carry on this way with any reputable instructor or school and you may well be shown the door. Or much worse, your money will ensure a continued audience until the inevitable investigation.

Go out buy some flying time with an instructor, but better be willing to check that ego at the door.

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Misses the point, unfortunately. Awe, its such a shame, you almost had it there for a while. I thought you might be one of those that actually - got it. You don't. You don't get it. I'm not seeking a job at an Airline or a Fractional with an FO as back-up. I don't have the billion plus one years prior PIC time in a high performance jet. Ergo, I MUST do something different in my Training and Time Building, expressly so that I do not end up like the NTSB Reports you allude to. I thought you got that. Apparently, I was wrong.

This has nothing to do with challenging my CFI's authority or years of experience as you imply would be the case. To the contrary, my CFI will appreciate my willingness to prepare and my flexibility in learning what they have to teach. So, the ultimate projections you are making about what the CFI/Student relationship would be are simply incorrect, because you've missed the point here.

If I had the background, I would not be here. That means the Training and Time Building must be tailored to fit that lack of background as PIC. It is a very simply concept that I'm really shocked so many "experts" here just don't get.

You can take your Corvette out to the track on Saturday and have a ball. But, without some High Performance Driver Training in the appropriate car, you will probably kill yourself, if you attempt to take an F1 into turn 3 at 200 miles per hour. However, if you already had some racing experience under your belt, then you could take BOTH the Corvette sitting in your garage and the F1 at the track, into turn 3 at the optimal speed for each - because you have the prior experience to do so, safely.

What I'm trying to say here is not rocket science. How do you construct that kind of Training and Time Building Program for the guy that has no prior F1 experience. Because, how you go about getting that guy up to speed, will be different than the refresher program you put the experienced F1 guy through to accomplish the same exact goal - reaching turn 3 at 200 mph without killing either dude.

Got it? Good. Now, stop telling me I'm buthurt - that's so far removed from my reality that I laughed when you said it. Come on. This is not a hard question.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:55 PM
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Well, I think everyone here will agree that the course you wish to follow will be very challenging, and much different than the path any of us took. That may explain our difficulty in providing the advice you seek. Please give us a periodic update on your progress, and Good Luck!
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:26 PM
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Oh, I get it—you are trying to replicate the process professional pilots go thru and achieve that level of professionalism. Professionalism defined by commitment excellence in operation and safety. I’m saying you will have to design and force your plan on a flight school that may or may not be willing. Then, you need to acquire experience. You mentioned working for a third-party, I assume, as an F/O, to gain experience. Is that correct?

I was part of selling business jets; I’ve attended the conferences and seminars I linked for you. I’ve flown, by way of demonstration, to buyers like you. One was actually a former foreign military pilot, but he was also exceedingly wealthy and politically connected. Wonderful gentleman, a pleasure. His professional crew rolled their collective at his flying left seat with me next to him. I learned why—impatient, I had to repeatedly slow him down taxiing; hand flew well enough, as I expected, but refused any help with the automation. Expected everything to be handled by someone else and didn’t want to get a new type rating.

I understand you want to “better” than the accident reports, but they occur often enough that I submit they are “normal” accidents in Charles Perow’s term. That what our system produces, it’s not designed to produce professional grade pilots to fly VLJs.

Humbly, it would better to apply the concept of comparative advantage and specialization of labor and hire a pro crew and enjoy the life of wealth.

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Old 03-16-2018, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by November Seven View Post
Thank you so much for throwing in the towel and Roger That.
Professionally I’ve told you thank you for your business and shown you the door.
I’m going to consider everything after that a wind up.
And pilots don’t say “Roger that”.
Or shouldn’t. It’s not in the Pilot Controller glossary not in the ICAO radiotelephony handbook.
I’m disappointed you didn’t already memorize those.
If you pay $200/hr for instruction you may eventually find somebody to stick it out with you.
But DPE’s will take a dim view of your attitudes.
To cover their liability you’ll fail every checkride at least once.
FAA will interview DPE’s if the accident is within a certain time frame of certificate issuance.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:25 PM
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Entertaining thread, to say the least.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
Entertaining thread, to say the least.
Yeah look up his other gems....
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Old 03-18-2018, 03:30 PM
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I feel bad for whoever becomes this dudes CFI. Wowzers...
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Old 03-18-2018, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuffaluffagus View Post
I feel bad for whoever becomes this dudes CFI. Wowzers...
I wouldn't. They won't have him as a student for very long. If they're worth their weight in salt, they won't make it to the airplane before they turn him away.

I know most of what I need to know about a pilot or student long before we get to the cockpit.

Any decent pilot, check airman, instructor, or examiner should. It didn't take long for the original poster to reveal his spots here. It won't take long elsewhere, either.
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:03 AM
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Multiple pages later and there was one comment you made that sent shivers down my spine. You equated whatever line of work (sounds like something in finance as you said I make ten million dollar decisions in seconds) to decisions you would make in an airplane. Your mistake is associating your current job with what flying an airplane entails. An airplane doesn’t care what you do for a living.... it doesn’t care that you day trade it doesn’t care that you’re a neuro surgeon it doesn’t care that you’re a darn airline or fighter pilot. In fact I think an airplane/this industry/the system is only out there to try and kill me so my goal is to not let that happen. Now I get and see where you’re coming from about trying to over prepare for moving into a VLJ in a short period of time but you’re not going to be able to just throw your money at this and be competent it just won’t happen. You don’t want to fly professionally for a living and that’s fine but don’t think you can throw money at a professional and expect to buy his experience and use it as your own. Everyone who has posted before me has 10 times the experience as me and I’ve been listening twice as much as I used to since I joined this forum compared to my old young dumb 20 something year old self and I suggest you do the same as it’s paid off ten fold in my career. There’s a reason you have 2 ears and 1 mouth need I say more?
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:44 AM
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Now you know you’re going to get a 3-page dissertation as to why you are wrong.
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