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Old 08-26-2018, 09:33 PM   #11  
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How many people are in the hiring pool for UAL that CFI at that school?
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How many people are in the hiring pool for UAL that CFI at that school?
None right now. At the completion of the 18 month commitment the 5 that have already flowed through waited two months maximum for their class date at United.
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I have been hired by LAT Arizona (Flight School) to work as a CFI for 1.5 years to then transition directly to United Airlines. It is by far, the quickest way to get to a legacy carrier! I wanted to start this thread to inform anyone interested about the program to help guide you through the process. If you are approaching minimum 500 hours or have more, please feel free to private message me to get more details on the program.
Just looked up this program. Congrats! Unfortunately, you're probably gonna get a lot of crap but screw the haters.

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It is as described. So far they have had 3 complete the training and are completed with IOE with UAL, not Express. Roughly takes 2 years in total from initial start date at LAT Arizona to start date at UAL. The kicker for the program is they waive the 1000 PIC jet time requirement.
How would you ever move from the right seat to the left without having any 121 PIC turbine time? Would United actually do that - make someone a Captain with no previous 121 PIC time?

I am digging for the catch.
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How would you ever move from the right seat to the left without having any 121 PIC turbine time? Would United actually do that - make someone a Captain with no previous 121 PIC time?

I am digging for the catch.
You would have the required 121 SIC time at United before upgrading. 121 PIC doesn't play into that equation.

If you needed 121 PIC to upgrade then, well, nobody could ever upgrade.

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You would think there is something else going on here. Something they are not stating outright. I don't know, it seems a little weird. But who knows - perhaps they are testing this out as just another avenue to get pilots.

But it does state the following:

"earn your EASA flight instructor license"

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"While preparing to be a United pilot, you’ll be a Lufthansa Aviation Training employee teaching future airline pilots for the airlines of the Lufthansa Group."

So it sounds like you'd be teaching European student pilots to EASA standards for Lufthansa. I'd love to know what United gets out of this new FOs with no 121 PIC time...

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So it sounds like you'd be teaching European student pilots to EASA standards for Lufthansa. I'd love to know what United gets out of this new FOs with no 121 PIC time...
I'm sure it's some kind of test bed for future programs when the civilian pilot pool truly becomes dry.

Why this school? No clue. Perhaps some sweetheart deal between Star Alliance members to help keep Lufthansa's pipeline flowing?

Anyhow, plenty of guys hired without previous 121 PIC from the regionals, corporate, military, etc. Although these people had far more experience than teaching basic flight skills.


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I'd love to know what United gets out of this new FOs with no 121 PIC time...
They get: pilots who have certain minimums (four-year degree, ATP, etc.) and I guess what we could call "closely-screened individuals" (pilots who passed the Hogan psychological test, have no bad references, have been observed by UAL for 1.5 years, and have 1.5 years of reports from the flight school regarding personality, work ethic, etc.)

But what we are all wondering is, do these things offset no 121 PIC time, no 121 time at all, no turboprop time, no jet time, no "large airplane time", no dual-pilot CRM time, etc. Time will tell.

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They get: pilots who have certain minimums (four-year degree, ATP, etc.) and I guess what we could call "closely-screened individuals" (pilots who passed the Hogan psychological test, have no bad references, have been observed by UAL for 1.5 years, and have 1.5 years of reports from the flight school regarding personality, work ethic, etc.)

But what we are all wondering is, do these things offset no 121 PIC time, no 121 time at all, no turboprop time, no jet time, no "large airplane time", no dual-pilot CRM time, etc. Time will tell.
FWIW, every European carrier does this. Pilots with a frozen ATPL (written only), and 250 hours, train and pass checkrides on the 737/320. Iím sure some fail out of training, but Iím sure those numbers are few. Just some food for thought is all.
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They get: pilots who have certain minimums (four-year degree, ATP, etc.) and I guess what we could call "closely-screened individuals" (pilots who passed the Hogan psychological test, have no bad references, have been observed by UAL for 1.5 years, and have 1.5 years of reports from the flight school regarding personality, work ethic, etc.)

But what we are all wondering is, do these things offset no 121 PIC time, no 121 time at all, no turboprop time, no jet time, no "large airplane time", no dual-pilot CRM time, etc. Time will tell.
The US is the only place where you need thousands of hours to get hired. Most European/Asian carriers hire pilots with substantially less time but from more structured programs. I have no doubt that anybody with a couple of hundred hours as an instructor, who goes through a major airline new hire program will be completely capable of being an effective first officer, and, in due course, captain.

Even the USAF puts low time pilots into giant transport planes without too much difficulty.
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