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Originally Posted by dbdevkc
(Post 2663736)
You would think there is something else going on here.
Some of these programs formerly existed as pay-to-play. In this case, the market is good enough that there's no thought to charging applicants; simply putting them to work, and moving them in. I suspect we'll see a lot more programs along these lines in the near future. I also strongly suspect that we'll see an economic crash in the not too distant future, with large scale layoffs and furloughs and a lot of wide eyes wondering what happened. That's part of the problem walking into a job with few qualifications and no experience; one isn't qualified to go anywhere else when the bottom falls out. And it will. |
Originally Posted by BobSacamano
(Post 2666147)
What’s with the insults? This guy starts a thread to tell folks about a great opportunity, and he’s definitely NOT clueless, based on the fact that he’s in the situation he’s in.
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Originally Posted by Lockonn
(Post 2665811)
They picked this school because of the style of teaching that is accomplished at LAT Arizona. One individual mentioned accurately that European carriers like Lufthansa and their subsidiaries are all putting 300 hour pilots into the right seats of their A320s... the students that arrive to our flight school are handpicked after days of psychological evaluations, altitude tests, as well as 1 year of EASA theoretical ground school. We are training the 9% that pass all prerequisites to get to the core ab initio training phase in Goodyear, Az. Our teaching style here is not your normal part 61 or 141 flight instructor school. We teach the multipilot concept to a single pilot. All the call outs that are conducted at an airline are done on each flight we take the students on.
While many will deem this unfair to all those that have “paid their dues” at least those of you that are interested need to know that it is not as easy as “become a Flight instructor and go to United”. The training is intense, and it is all designed to have the students (and United CPP flight instructors) be ready to take the next step which will be for both of us (students and instructors) a step into an airline cockpit atmosphere. No catch, nor gimmicks. Believe me, I was the top skeptic out there until I applied last year, interviewed with the companies and was denied, than reapplied a year later to be going through the training now. Don’t be ignorant if your interested, you will miss the best opportunity for low time pilots out there. |
I’m not happy to see this. You get a decent airplane manager who has very little “stick and rudder” time, experience or judgement. Everything goes fine until one day when the crap hits the fan, and the lack of the above shows in spades. Now imagine both pilots with that experience.
It’s why I feel more comfortable with American pilots up front...pretty good chance 1 of them has a solid stick and rudder background. |
Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 2666229)
I’m not happy to see this. You get a decent airplane manager who has very little “stick and rudder” time, experience or judgement. Everything goes fine until one day when the crap hits the fan, and the lack of the above shows in spades. Now imagine both pilots with that experience.
It’s why I feel more comfortable with American pilots up front...pretty good chance 1 of them has a solid stick and rudder background. And somewhat related, I'd bet if you put many of the younger/newer pilots in a taildragger with a 6-pack, they wouldn't be able to fly coordinated or land it with minimal energy. Why? To them, that doesn't matter - it not real flying anyway. I'd be curious how many of the kids have read Langewiesche's "Stick and Rudder". |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2666177)
I also strongly suspect that we'll see an economic crash in the not too distant future, with large scale layoffs and furloughs and a lot of wide eyes wondering what happened.
That's part of the problem walking into a job with few qualifications and no experience; one isn't qualified to go anywhere else when the bottom falls out. And it will. Anyone would be crazy to not take advantage of an opportunity like this. But along the lines of what you said, ask anyone that was hired at (insert legacy here) prior to 9/11 with ZERO TPIC how easy it was to get hired at the places that WERE hiring post 9/11 after they were furloughed. FedEx, UPS, Spirit, AirTran, JetBlue, Atlas, just to name a few, ALL required TPIC |
Programs like this just now popping up **** me off. Screwing everyone else that busted their ass to get to the majors in low pay **** jobs just to be overtaken by a CFI in a light GA for less than 2 years. IDGAF if you signed a paper that they promised they'll train you to their standards. What BS.
How on earth do you build good judgement when these folks have never flown a JET. |
Originally Posted by Hawker445
(Post 2666482)
Programs like this just now popping up **** me off. Screwing everyone else that busted their ass to get to the majors in low pay **** jobs just to be overtaken by a CFI in a light GA for less than 2 years. IDGAF if you signed a paper that they promised they'll train you to their standards. What BS.
How on earth do you build good judgement when these folks have never flown a JET. The blind jealousy on this forum sometimes is kind of disappointing to see. |
Originally Posted by BobSacamano
(Post 2666528)
Just the same as with the majority of new regional pilots, who are transitioning from 172s to ... wait for it ... jets.
The blind jealousy on this forum sometimes is kind of disappointing to see. |
blind jealousy?
I am at a Legacy carrier. I quit United to come to that Legacy carrier, how in the world am I jealous? Whats going to be worse than these guys having such little real world flying experience (which is kinda sad in itself) is that they are going to be major A-holes when they get past the first year or two at UAL. A bunch of "my sh*t dont stink" or know it all's. Maybe I am wrong but I doubt it. Can you imagine the sadness of only having flown at an airline for 30 years with virtually no other experience? Great for the bank account but really sad because of the lack of real world experience. Life isnt all about the money, its about the journey. |
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