Mid-life Career Change
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#142
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As noted above, CFI wages can be tough but career changers have advantages a lot of younger people don’t have.
Depending on the career, still working per diem is an option. A doctor could work 1 day a week at a hospital and still instruct full time.
A lot of career changers are married and have a second income to rely on.
Being older likely means better credit and more savings.
Depending on the career, still working per diem is an option. A doctor could work 1 day a week at a hospital and still instruct full time.
A lot of career changers are married and have a second income to rely on.
Being older likely means better credit and more savings.
#143
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Feel free to be passive aggressive if you want. It's immature and juvenile behavior. If you don't like being called out when you're in error, aviation is going to be a hard ride for you.
Pilot mills promise a lot and only deliver an expensive bill. Assuming you don't wash out (which many do), you'll be paying 40-50k more for your ratings that you would at a Part 61 school and you'll have a much higher likelihood of failing some of your checkrides along the way as you're pushed to test before you have the required skills.
That's my PIREP, fly as you see fit.
Pilot mills promise a lot and only deliver an expensive bill. Assuming you don't wash out (which many do), you'll be paying 40-50k more for your ratings that you would at a Part 61 school and you'll have a much higher likelihood of failing some of your checkrides along the way as you're pushed to test before you have the required skills.
That's my PIREP, fly as you see fit.
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My current flight plan:
1. continue working full-time as a pediatrician until July 5, 2023
2. fly one day a week to slowly work toward my private license until May of 2023
3. quit medicine, and start full-time flight training for instrument rating, etc in August 2023
4. start as a CFI in spring of 2024
5. first officer with SkyWest by summer of 2025
1. continue working full-time as a pediatrician until July 5, 2023
2. fly one day a week to slowly work toward my private license until May of 2023
3. quit medicine, and start full-time flight training for instrument rating, etc in August 2023
4. start as a CFI in spring of 2024
5. first officer with SkyWest by summer of 2025
#145
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Might as well keep updating this thread as my story continues.
So, I love the work of training people to fly. I enjoy doing BFRs for pilots. What do I dislike? The pay. Even with FT availability, CFI work is absolutely poverty wages. Ignoring cancellation issues connected to PX, MX and WX, putting in maximum hours would barely have me clearing 30k annually. This low pay barely covers my expenses in driving to/from the airfield, especially on days where a full schedule turns into 0-2 flights. While instructing I made sure to collect enough hours to meet the 135 VFR PIC minimums (25 night XC hours seems to catch a lot of folks off guard).
It took me 3 months of actively pursuing positions that could offer better pay despite my low time (>600 hours) before I found a part 135 job in Alaska. Looking forward to taking that big step into part 135 operations and enjoying decent pay for my skills. I'm still staying on part time as a CFI in the lower 48, as my 135 gig runs a 2 week on/2 week off schedule and I do genuinely enjoy the work of instructing. Since my hours are low, I will likely be in this role for 18+ months. No complaints, as there is a lot of opportunity for growth into larger aircraft with even better pay with this same company.
Here's a brief summary of the timeline to get here: (Split time between acting as a Stay-at-home dad of 7 children and flight training.)
Feb '19: Started making plans, doing research and getting ready to switch into aviation career full time.
May '19: First month of flight instruction, solo.
August '19: PPL complete
Sept '20: Instrument complete (thanks covid, black swan events DO happen)
Jan '21: Commercial complete
June '21: CFI complete, FT job as CFI started
April '22: Start 135 position in Alaska (hope to be in ATP territory by 2024)
[NEW] November '22: Cross the 1000 hr total time threshold. Still flying in the frozen north.
So, I love the work of training people to fly. I enjoy doing BFRs for pilots. What do I dislike? The pay. Even with FT availability, CFI work is absolutely poverty wages. Ignoring cancellation issues connected to PX, MX and WX, putting in maximum hours would barely have me clearing 30k annually. This low pay barely covers my expenses in driving to/from the airfield, especially on days where a full schedule turns into 0-2 flights. While instructing I made sure to collect enough hours to meet the 135 VFR PIC minimums (25 night XC hours seems to catch a lot of folks off guard).
It took me 3 months of actively pursuing positions that could offer better pay despite my low time (>600 hours) before I found a part 135 job in Alaska. Looking forward to taking that big step into part 135 operations and enjoying decent pay for my skills. I'm still staying on part time as a CFI in the lower 48, as my 135 gig runs a 2 week on/2 week off schedule and I do genuinely enjoy the work of instructing. Since my hours are low, I will likely be in this role for 18+ months. No complaints, as there is a lot of opportunity for growth into larger aircraft with even better pay with this same company.
Here's a brief summary of the timeline to get here: (Split time between acting as a Stay-at-home dad of 7 children and flight training.)
Feb '19: Started making plans, doing research and getting ready to switch into aviation career full time.
May '19: First month of flight instruction, solo.
August '19: PPL complete
Sept '20: Instrument complete (thanks covid, black swan events DO happen)
Jan '21: Commercial complete
June '21: CFI complete, FT job as CFI started
April '22: Start 135 position in Alaska (hope to be in ATP territory by 2024)
[NEW] November '22: Cross the 1000 hr total time threshold. Still flying in the frozen north.
Flying in Alaska was a MASSIVE game changer for me. The challenge of flying VFR in poor visibility, low ceilings, high gusty winds and freezing precip while landing on gravel landing strips less than 2000' long and 30' wide and full of potholes, really forced me to up my game. To give you an idea, my companies limits are 2 miles vis, 600' ceilings and 35 knots of crosswind component in a single engine aircraft. It's glorious! The pay has been great and I've been able to cover my family's bills and expenses. Probably make 2x what I was earning as a CFI and done LOTS more flying. Also, getting a lot of time in a glass cockpit (G500 with a paired 750/650 combo) has been great.
Just popping in to celebrate crossing the 1000 hour threshold.
If you know anyone that has an open right seat in a PC-12, let me know. I'm in love with that aircraft and think my next step will be into that airframe as a FO.
Blue skies and fair winds my fellows.
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Time for another update.
Flying in Alaska was a MASSIVE game changer for me. The challenge of flying VFR in poor visibility, low ceilings, high gusty winds and freezing precip while landing on gravel landing strips less than 2000' long and 30' wide and full of potholes, really forced me to up my game. To give you an idea, my companies limits are 2 miles vis, 600' ceilings and 35 knots of crosswind component in a single engine aircraft. It's glorious! The pay has been great and I've been able to cover my family's bills and expenses. Probably make 2x what I was earning as a CFI and done LOTS more flying. Also, getting a lot of time in a glass cockpit (G500 with a paired 750/650 combo) has been great.
Just popping in to celebrate crossing the 1000 hour threshold.
If you know anyone that has an open right seat in a PC-12, let me know. I'm in love with that aircraft and think my next step will be into that airframe as a FO.
Blue skies and fair winds my fellows.
Flying in Alaska was a MASSIVE game changer for me. The challenge of flying VFR in poor visibility, low ceilings, high gusty winds and freezing precip while landing on gravel landing strips less than 2000' long and 30' wide and full of potholes, really forced me to up my game. To give you an idea, my companies limits are 2 miles vis, 600' ceilings and 35 knots of crosswind component in a single engine aircraft. It's glorious! The pay has been great and I've been able to cover my family's bills and expenses. Probably make 2x what I was earning as a CFI and done LOTS more flying. Also, getting a lot of time in a glass cockpit (G500 with a paired 750/650 combo) has been great.
Just popping in to celebrate crossing the 1000 hour threshold.
If you know anyone that has an open right seat in a PC-12, let me know. I'm in love with that aircraft and think my next step will be into that airframe as a FO.
Blue skies and fair winds my fellows.
#147
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As someone who started this journey 2 years ago, how is it going? I am in almost the exact same situation as you were. Have been in tech startups for the past 15 years and looking for a more stable industry. I am 38 and making the change now. I recently enrolled at an ATP location. What advice can you share given your experience?
#148
As someone who started this journey 2 years ago, how is it going? I am in almost the exact same situation as you were. Have been in tech startups for the past 15 years and looking for a more stable industry. I am 38 and making the change now. I recently enrolled at an ATP location. What advice can you share given your experience?
#149
Nothing in aviation has ever been, nor it will ever be, stable. It's easy to be mislead by the current environment, but just look what happened in 2020, planes were parked and classes were cancelled overnight. With a major war in Europe that could very easily expand to the rest of the continent or beyond, if someone pokes the bear a little too hard, and China contemplating making a move on Taiwan, don't be surprised if whatever stability exists today, may be gone by tomorrow.
There are always peaks and valleys, it is a cyclical industry. But retirements don't lie, last numbers I saw show good hiring well into the 2030's. So not only can you get hired with relative ease, you can move up to a position of comfortable QOL and good money before any long-term slowdowns.
Assume there will be a a speedbump along the way (at least one)... best you can hope for is to be in a seniority position where you can ride it out with suffering financial or QOL impact. The sooner you get to such a position, the better.
#150
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Agree, but... while hoping for that best case (get into enough seniority where you can ride it out above the cut line), also PLAN for the worst case: Assume you will experience not just a speedbump, but at least one furlough during your career: if you don't already have a side gig, start one, so that you have some income to fall back on that will enable you to ride it out from the furlough list instead of the seniority list, so you can make it long enough to get recalled and continue flying. I didn't, and didn't. Now after 20 years of desk jobs, I hope to ride this next upward hiring wave into a late encore career back to flying. This time the kids are grown so my furlough fall-back plan is an early (and bittersweet) retirement.... (and maybe get my CFI, just for the fun of it...)
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