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Old 02-18-2019, 07:19 AM   #11  
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Mmmmm....Iím thinking I may have been wrong there as an Instrument rating requires the 40hrs of simulated or actual instrument time but only 15 with a CFII so the 3 hrs required for Private should count towards the 40 but not the 15.
Unless itís logged as training req under 61.65(d)(2).
Why is the 3 hours for your private not compliant with 61.65(c)?
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:31 AM   #12  
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Why is the 3 hours for your private not compliant with 61.65(c)?
It could be, but it might not count towards the 15 hours of 61.65(d)(2). A CFI-A can do the PPL instrument training, even without a CFI-I.

Those three hours could also count towards 61.65(d)(2) only if the instructor is also CFI-I. If that's the intent, and you're really going to need those three hours, ask the CFII to log it in such a manner that a DPE knows it's good for the IR when he reviews your book.

I think it's OK towards the 40 hours, but IMO it's sketchy to try to apply the PPL time to the 15 CFII hours. It is a different purpose... the PPL training is about survival, the IR training is about precise procedures and PTS standards.
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It could be, but it might not count towards the 15 hours of 61.65(d)(2). A CFI-A can do the PPL instrument training, even without a CFI-I.

Those three hours could also count towards 61.65(d)(2) only if the instructor is also CFI-I. If that's the intent, and you're really going to need those three hours, ask the CFII to log it in such a manner that a DPE knows it's good for the IR when he reviews your book.

I think it's OK towards the 40 hours, but IMO it's sketchy to try to apply the PPL time to the 15 CFII hours. It is a different purpose... the PPL training is about survival, the IR training is about precise procedures and PTS standards.
That's why I was asking for a reference. My DPE said it came up in their meeting, and they were told if the 3 hours were with a -II, it could be used towards 61.51(d)(2).
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That's why I was asking for a reference. My DPE said it came up in their meeting, and they were told if the 3 hours were with a -II, it could be used towards 61.51(d)(2).
Legally the way the regs are written it would be real hard for the FAA to deny the hours if a CFII did the training.

I think the intent of the training is different, but they didn't really spell that out in writing.
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