Stupid question on ratings and PPL
02-18-2019, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Mmmmm....I’m thinking I may have been wrong there as an Instrument rating requires the 40hrs of simulated or actual instrument time but only 15 with a CFII so the 3 hrs required for Private should count towards the 40 but not the 15.
Unless it’s logged as training req under 61.65(d)(2).
Unless it’s logged as training req under 61.65(d)(2).
02-18-2019, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Why is the 3 hours for your private not compliant with 61.65(c)?
Those three hours could also count towards 61.65(d)(2) only if the instructor is also CFI-I. If that's the intent, and you're really going to need those three hours, ask the CFII to log it in such a manner that a DPE knows it's good for the IR when he reviews your book.
I think it's OK towards the 40 hours, but IMO it's sketchy to try to apply the PPL time to the 15 CFII hours. It is a different purpose... the PPL training is about survival, the IR training is about precise procedures and PTS standards.
02-18-2019, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It could be, but it might not count towards the 15 hours of 61.65(d)(2). A CFI-A can do the PPL instrument training, even without a CFI-I.
Those three hours could also count towards 61.65(d)(2) only if the instructor is also CFI-I. If that's the intent, and you're really going to need those three hours, ask the CFII to log it in such a manner that a DPE knows it's good for the IR when he reviews your book.
I think it's OK towards the 40 hours, but IMO it's sketchy to try to apply the PPL time to the 15 CFII hours. It is a different purpose... the PPL training is about survival, the IR training is about precise procedures and PTS standards.
Those three hours could also count towards 61.65(d)(2) only if the instructor is also CFI-I. If that's the intent, and you're really going to need those three hours, ask the CFII to log it in such a manner that a DPE knows it's good for the IR when he reviews your book.
I think it's OK towards the 40 hours, but IMO it's sketchy to try to apply the PPL time to the 15 CFII hours. It is a different purpose... the PPL training is about survival, the IR training is about precise procedures and PTS standards.
02-18-2019, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
That's why I was asking for a reference. My DPE said it came up in their meeting, and they were told if the 3 hours were with a -II, it could be used towards 61.51(d)(2).
I think the intent of the training is different, but they didn't really spell that out in writing.
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