Logging Total Time
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Logging Total Time
If I am flying with my dad whom is a private pilot acting as PIC in a 172, can I sit right seat and log total time? I have my commercial ASEL, so I don't see why I couldn't log it. It doesn't seem like the best way to log time to me because I wouldn't really be doing anything. Do airlines look down on this?
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If I am flying with my dad whom is a private pilot acting as PIC in a 172, can I sit right seat and log total time? I have my commercial ASEL, so I don't see why I couldn't log it. It doesn't seem like the best way to log time to me because I wouldn't really be doing anything. Do airlines look down on this?
1) A CFI giving dual.
2) A safety pilot who is rated in the airplane, and the flight is conducted so as to make safety pilot time legal (see other recent threads on this subject).
The airlines would consider this a misrepresentation (translation: you would never get hired).
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For that matter even the "safety pilot" route to logging time is not the best idea. (That means Dad is wearing the hood while you are watching for traffic and logging time.) I have personally seen a candidate during an airline interview get sent home because he didn't have enough multi time to be eligible for the interview after the time logged as safety pilot was subtracted from his total multi time. He was not an MEI and had split multi time with another pilot by acting as a safety pilot. (Buy a fifty hour block and split it. One guy wears the hood and logs "safety pilot" time, while the other logs PIC instrument.) I used to split time, but as both of us were MEIs it was not an issue... and we were both really learning and teaching. Perhaps that is the most important part of the time you log, that it represents accurately what you are learning through experience. Not that you are not learning with Dad; I have a couple thousand hours in the right seat with Dad and it helps me every day in the right seat of the Dornier 328JET.
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well geez, all this negativity towards the safety pilot idea :P guess i should think twice about doing that too... and radar, "summer... bidding reserve" is probably the best idea i've ever heard. lol
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Safety pilot is the legal way to do this, although a few regional airlines may not have been too excited about it in the past. I don't know of any that specificly exclude it now...if in doubt, read their web sites.
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"A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is authorized within the limitations of that person's flight instructor certificate and ratings to give training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to:
(a) A student pilot certificate;
(b) A pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate;
(d) A ground instructor certificate;
(e) An aircraft rating;
(f) An instrument rating;
(g) A flight review, operating privilege, or recency of experience requirement of this part;
(h) A practical test; and
(i) A knowledge test."
If you can't demonstrate the instruction you are giving falls into one of these areas, then you can't act as a CFI and therefore can not log pilot-in-command time as a CFI.
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The FAA is busting MEI's for this. The regulation is 14 CFR Part 61.193 Flight instructor privileges:
"A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is authorized within the limitations of that person's flight instructor certificate and ratings to give training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to:
(a) A student pilot certificate;
(b) A pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate;
(d) A ground instructor certificate;
(e) An aircraft rating;
(f) An instrument rating;
(g) A flight review, operating privilege, or recency of experience requirement of this part;
(h) A practical test; and
(i) A knowledge test."
If you can't demonstrate the instruction you are giving falls into one of these areas, then you can't act as a CFI and therefore can not log pilot-in-command time as a CFI.
"A person who holds a flight instructor certificate is authorized within the limitations of that person's flight instructor certificate and ratings to give training and endorsements that are required for, and relate to:
(a) A student pilot certificate;
(b) A pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate;
(d) A ground instructor certificate;
(e) An aircraft rating;
(f) An instrument rating;
(g) A flight review, operating privilege, or recency of experience requirement of this part;
(h) A practical test; and
(i) A knowledge test."
If you can't demonstrate the instruction you are giving falls into one of these areas, then you can't act as a CFI and therefore can not log pilot-in-command time as a CFI.
Technically there is a grey area here for training that is required by rental rules, insurance, or common sense...but realistically nobody is going to hassle you for giving dual for a reasonable, good training purpose.
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