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Captainfit 04-03-2019 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Pilsung (Post 2795084)
I'd skip ATP ("respected in the industry" depends on who you ask)- it will most certainly be less expensive to stay at your current 61 school and the pace can be just as fast if that's what you want. I'd reconsider buying a 150 for instrument flying...

Okay! What kind of plane suggestions do you have? If I went that route!

JohnBurke 04-03-2019 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Captainfit (Post 2795466)
I don’t want to limit myself by choosing not to do a certain thing, or checking a certain box. I would like to make myself as marketable as I can

You think that you're going to limit the amount of money that you will get paid as a professional pilot, based on where you chose to do primary flight training?

Nobody cares. Nobody will care.

You may find that by utilizing several instructors at once, you'l slow your progress and impinge on learning. It's your money, though. Have a ball.

Captainfit 04-03-2019 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2795475)
You think that you're going to limit the amount of money that you will get paid as a professional pilot, based on where you chose to do primary flight training?

Nobody cares. Nobody will care.

You may find that by utilizing several instructors at once, you'l slow your progress and impinge on learning. It's your money, though. Have a ball.

You don’t have to be passive aggressive man, I did ask for a reason. Thank you for letting me know, no one will care.

JohnBurke 04-04-2019 03:44 AM

Passive aggressive?

You asked the question.

Captainfit 04-05-2019 09:23 AM

Update
 
I am leaning towards not purchasing an airplane. The risk of having to do a major overhaul and drop 20k that I don't have is impossible. At this time I do not have a huge lump sum to pay for my ratings at a local FBO. I am approved for the loan at ATP through SM. Any veteran thoughts or advise here?

Thanks in advance

TiredSoul 04-05-2019 09:44 AM

I would recommend against Sally Mae.
Their interest is ridiculous, on par with credit cards.
Do your private and take it from there.
Try your best to do this pay as you go.
With a wife and kid you don’t want to be right seat Regional with $100k in debt that takes 20+ years to pay off.
By the way ATP is not a respected school in the industry.
Embryo Riddle is, so is Flight Safety and UND.
ATP....meh kinda checkered.

Captainfit 04-05-2019 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2796863)
I would recommend against Sally Mae.
Their interest is ridiculous, on par with credit cards.
Do your private and take it from there.
Try your best to do this pay as you go.
With a wife and kid you don’t want to be right seat Regional with $100k in debt that takes 20+ years to pay off.
By the way ATP is not a respected school in the industry.
Embryo Riddle is, so is Flight Safety and UND.
ATP....meh kinda checkered.

Okay! I see what your are saying. So find the FBO that will best fit me, and go from there! Has anyone heard any good things of Liberty University they have a aeronautics program with certified schools, but the closest FBO to me is 2 hours away. That's not going to work, cant really move right now. Reason why ATP sounds so good is that its right up the street from me.

Cirrus2turbine 04-05-2019 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2795475)
You think that you're going to limit the amount of money that you will get paid as a professional pilot, based on where you chose to do primary flight training?

Nobody cares. Nobody will care.

You may find that by utilizing several instructors at once, you'l slow your progress and impinge on learning. It's your money, though. Have a ball.

Dude, he's young and trying to process what's going on. He doesn't know, what he doesn't know!

JohnBurke 04-05-2019 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by Cirrus2turbine (Post 2797031)
Dude, he's young and trying to process what's going on. He doesn't know, what he doesn't know!

Accordingly, he's been told.

dckozak 04-06-2019 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by Captainfit (Post 2797011)
Okay! I see what your are saying. So find the FBO that will best fit me, and go from there! Has anyone heard any good things of Liberty University they have a aeronautics program with certified schools, but the closest FBO to me is 2 hours away. That's not going to work, cant really move right now. Reason why ATP sounds so good is that its right up the street from me.

I'm looking at some of the options you are but for my son rather than myself. I'm on the tail end of this journey, looking to retire from an airline while my 21yo son is just getting started. I did the CIV route and instructed on the front end of my career, I'll share a couple points that others have and my thoughts as regarding my own (sons) situation.

The purchase airplane thing could be a great deal but unless your wiling to deal with all the risk and take on the responsibilities related to aircraft ownership, I would say the risk of making a bad blunder out weighs the reward of saving money. Bottom line: possible to win big or fail big, inside knowledge (regarding aircraft values and a particular airframes quality). Plus the major crap shoot. You can get it all right and still can't sell it for what's its worth (based on your pre purchase assumings of value) at the end of your training. Don't forget to include costs associated with the airport (tie down or hanger) and taxes on purchase and sell.

Flights schools: University, Zero to hero quickies, quality (Meaning more $$$) big schools. Mom and Pop (local FAR part 61 operators).
Which way to go?? Budget, time and proximity to your home all come into play. If you don't mind spending more and have it, I'd suggest one of the bigger FAR part 141 if you intend to fly professionally and your trying to move quickly from one profession to another. Avoid the low cost options with the quickie flights schools. The quality of training has to suffer as the operator is no doubt cutting corners (instructor pay and quality of the aircraft). If you can live with a slower pace to get your training or you need to pay for your schooling out of pocket, than the local FBO is realistically your only option. Look around at more than just the closest airport. Interview both management and an instructor or two. Ask how many hours a day they normally fly (anything over about 4 flight hours means they are running from one student to the next with little time for pre and post flight briefings). Ask a lot of questions and read a bunch of advice from others on this board. Remember, its your money, and it's a lot of money. Make sure everyone is working on your behalf to get you the best education you can. Your life and those you fly in the future deserve nothing less.


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