Buying plane for hours
#11
I would be on the side of "it can work out". I had a buddy that sold a C-150 aerobat for a few thousand more than he bought it. He did some work on it, but still came out a little ahead. So for building time, sure it can make sense. What you do have to realize is that you aren't saving a ton of money, but a definite amount. In other words, the cost to rent is a few dollars more/hour and you usually aren't going to make out like a bandit...but still. Some planes can take mogas and further reduce costs, again with some trade-offs. The only significant issue I'd be concerned about is quality of training in one airframe with it's avionics. IME, it's not the size or speed of an airframe, but the variety you get from flying different ones and getting accustomed to adapting to something new.
#12
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+99 to this.
I bought a plane (C150 /G) to do my hour building. All in, a single flight hour ended up costing me $54, and this includes every single penny I ever put in that thing, including FBO fees (KEYW still makes me sick), landing fees and so on. I flew 400 hours in 6 months.
People saying you should rent for 200 hours are insane, and likely have never actually owned anything. Even the worst case scenario (blow your engine) you will end up being ahead over 200 hours, unless you buy a rust bucket, you won't recoup anything you put in the airframe.
You do need to do your homework obviously. Owner's clubs are worth their weight in gold, and you need a good local A&P. But owning a plane is the way to go.
I bought a plane (C150 /G) to do my hour building. All in, a single flight hour ended up costing me $54, and this includes every single penny I ever put in that thing, including FBO fees (KEYW still makes me sick), landing fees and so on. I flew 400 hours in 6 months.
People saying you should rent for 200 hours are insane, and likely have never actually owned anything. Even the worst case scenario (blow your engine) you will end up being ahead over 200 hours, unless you buy a rust bucket, you won't recoup anything you put in the airframe.
You do need to do your homework obviously. Owner's clubs are worth their weight in gold, and you need a good local A&P. But owning a plane is the way to go.
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#14
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
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Posts: 114
C150 Owner here
So I’m currently on my training toward the ultimate goal of becoming an airline pilot. I’m about half way through my private license. I’m looking into the benefits of possibly buying a plane for hour building through the commercial rating and beyond. Got advice that it will cut down on schooling cost in the long run. I’m curious if you guys have gone this route or have any insight on it? Thanks
#15
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2019
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I'm at the end of this process myself. Bought a 172 a year and a half ago. Flew 300 hours, will sell it after my CFI ride in 2 weeks. The loan payment is $220 a month, tie down is $25 a month, insurance $600 a year (was already paying $200 for renters). The variable is maintenance. My recommendation is to find a good freelance mechanic not tied to a big shop. My first annual hurt. Large shop, $3700. Second annual I did an assist with a mobile mechanic, paid $400.
Make sure the plane has IFR avionics, but keep it simple. Lots of extra cost to have a GPS in a plane. I have a single SL30 nav com. I'm not flying hard IFR in it but it was enough to get my instrument rating. When you go commercial, find a cheap twin to rent and use that to knock out your complex time instead of paying for a TAA.
Make sure the plane has IFR avionics, but keep it simple. Lots of extra cost to have a GPS in a plane. I have a single SL30 nav com. I'm not flying hard IFR in it but it was enough to get my instrument rating. When you go commercial, find a cheap twin to rent and use that to knock out your complex time instead of paying for a TAA.
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#17
Saving money is about doing it the smart way.
As a CFI I’ve done about 5-6 Initial CFI combined with CPL.
There is really no reason why you’d learn maneuvers from the left hand seat - checkride - relearn maneuvers from the right seat.
There is no requirement to take your checkride from the left seat as long as you notify the DPE beforehand.
So at around 200-210 hrs TT you start working on your CPL/CFI.
This probably saves you 10-15 hrs of ground school and 15-20 hrs of flying.
Give or take $4k-$5k.
Previous poster spend that much on annuals.
As a CFI I’ve done about 5-6 Initial CFI combined with CPL.
There is really no reason why you’d learn maneuvers from the left hand seat - checkride - relearn maneuvers from the right seat.
There is no requirement to take your checkride from the left seat as long as you notify the DPE beforehand.
So at around 200-210 hrs TT you start working on your CPL/CFI.
This probably saves you 10-15 hrs of ground school and 15-20 hrs of flying.
Give or take $4k-$5k.
Previous poster spend that much on annuals.
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 83
Years ago I bought a Warrior right after I finished my PPL. Flew the crap out of it and got my instrument and built my time towards my Commercial. Sold it after putting some 500 Hours on it for more than I paid for it. I never broke down the cost per hour, but I can say that I really enjoyed owning my own plane. I had the freedom to go anywhere anytime I wanted without having to worry about getting the plane back in time for the next guy or worry about availability. An added bonus is knowing your plane inside and out and not flying some POS that's been ridden hard and hung up wet.
Flew to OSH and camped on the field a few times and met some really great people along the way. Don't regret it for a moment and I'm now in the market for an old Taildragger to get back into flying for fun. So, there's a lot of ancillary enjoyment to be had if you're into it for more than just a tool to build time.
Don't forget to enjoy the journey...
Flew to OSH and camped on the field a few times and met some really great people along the way. Don't regret it for a moment and I'm now in the market for an old Taildragger to get back into flying for fun. So, there's a lot of ancillary enjoyment to be had if you're into it for more than just a tool to build time.
Don't forget to enjoy the journey...
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