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Old 03-16-2020, 07:05 AM   #21  
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Then the JetBlue and Soutuwest program wouldn't be a good choice.

Here is a comparison and by no means is the end all. So think of it this way and make Delta a hypothetical goal.

Let's compare ATP and JetBlue Gateway Select. Add in training time and turbine PIC time to be competitive for a DAL position.

Through ATP flight school, in a perfect world it would only take you 6 or more years to train, build time, have a regional cover your ATP cert, build time again and senority for regional FO experience, upgrade to CA and have PIC jet time to have your app in at Delta.

Gateway select will have you at JetBlue in 3 1/2yrs but you will have no PIC turbine time since you bypassed regional experience. So add in 4 years to gain senority and upgrade to CA. Then 2 years to build PIC time. Plus even if you wanted to make a lateral transition to another company like Spirit or Southwest instead of Delta, you are stuck at JetBlue without that TPIC time.

So unless you absolutely LOVE jetblue and want a career at JetBlue it wouldn't be a good choice to use it as a stepping stone. They also don't tell you that you pay for your own ATP cert, which is why tuition is more. Yes, you get a huge early bump in pay but you can make that up on the back end if you went to a flight school with more options like ATP.

3 steps forward and 2 steps back.
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Then the JetBlue and Soutuwest program wouldn't be a good choice.

Here is a comparison and by no means is the end all. So think of it this way and make Delta a hypothetical goal.

Let's compare ATP and JetBlue Gateway Select. Add in training time and turbine PIC time to be competitive for a DAL position.

Through ATP flight school, in a perfect world it would only take you 6 or more years to train, build time, have a regional cover your ATP cert, build time again and senority for regional FO experience, upgrade to CA and have PIC jet time to have your app in at Delta.

Gateway select will have you at JetBlue in 3 1/2yrs but you will have no PIC turbine time since you bypassed regional experience. So add in 4 years to gain senority and upgrade to CA. Then 2 years to build PIC time. Plus even if you wanted to make a lateral transition to another company like Spirit or Southwest instead of Delta, you are stuck at JetBlue without that TPIC time.

So unless you absolutely LOVE jetblue and want a career at JetBlue it wouldn't be a good choice to use it as a stepping stone. They also don't tell you that you pay for your own ATP cert, which is why tuition is more. Yes, you get a huge early bump in pay but you can make that up on the back end if you went to a flight school with more options like ATP.

3 steps forward and 2 steps back.
ahh makes a lot more sense.
If possible could you also present a hypothetical scenario with LIFT vs ATP would there be a difference from the scenario above.
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ahh makes a lot more sense.
If possible could you also present a hypothetical scenario with LIFT vs ATP would there be a difference from the scenario above.
Training wise add an extra 3-4 months. I have heard of students doubling up on ground modules to finish faster. CFI time building would be similar to ATP.

I ommited LIFT as an example because of their 5 year commitment. It would not be uncommon for someone to break that commitment for a class date at a major. Your first and second year pay plus starting senority would be a reasonable tradeoff.
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Training wise add an extra 3-4 months. I have heard of students doubling up on ground modules to finish faster. CFI time building would be similar to ATP.

I ommited LIFT as an example because of their 5 year commitment. It would not be uncommon for someone to break that commitment for a class date at a major. Your first and second year pay plus starting senority would be a reasonable tradeoff.
When you break the contract it is $20k. Wont a person being called to the majors make a lot more than that and be able to pay that off without much inconvenience.

Also is it doable to churn out a degree during the CFI phase?

Computer Science-Can do freelance work on the side if flying slows down or gets boring. Good to fall back on if God forbid aviation tanks. Computer are and are gonna be everywhere. But getting it online might be hard as most programs are hybrids, few being fully online.

Aviation Degree From Lewis/SIU/Purdue/Embry-Riddle etc-already would get credit for ratings completed in training. Good online availability. Relevant in aviation or aviation related sub fields. May not be best best if aviation slows down/tanks.

Another option may be logistics management degree. But don't know too much.

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When you break the contract it is $20k. Wont a person being called to the majors make a lot more than that and be able to pay that off without much inconvenience.

Also is it doable to churn out a degree during the CFI phase?

Computer Science-Can do freelance work on the side if flying slows down or gets boring. Good to fall back on if God forbid aviation tanks. Computer are and are gonna be everywhere. But getting it online might be hard as most programs are hybrids, few being fully online.

Aviation Degree From Lewis/SIU/Purdue/Embry-Riddle etc-already would get credit for ratings completed in training. Good online availability. Relevant in aviation or aviation related sub fields. May not be best best if aviation slows down/tanks.

Another option may be logistics management degree. But don't know too much.

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You would want a degree in something that is NOT aviation related. Other than that, it really doesn't matter. Get a degree in something you wouldn't mind doing in case for some reason you are unable to fly.

I have not met anyone who started their degree as a CFI. Pay is low and if you are instructing, you would want to put focus on students and being a better pilot. Doing it while FO on reserve is a better and more common way.
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Check Blue Line Aviation out in North Carolina. I know an instructor who got his ratings done in 4 months with 190 hours. Cost like 55K. Also, Epic Flight Training in Florida and Coast Flight Training... But do yourself a favor and go to ATP if you can afford it.
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maybe spartan college? from my understanding is you can obtain commercial license, obtain faa mins and get an aviation associate degree all within 18 months. seems about the same time frame as atp ground flight school.

personally, i am thinking either spartan college or american flyers. also with american flyers. you can apply for discover student loans; discover has lower interests rates than wells fargo/sallie may. atp does not partner with discover student loans.
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Check Blue Line Aviation out in North Carolina. I know an instructor who got his ratings done in 4 months with 190 hours. Cost like 55K. Also, Epic Flight Training in Florida and Coast Flight Training... But do yourself a favor and go to ATP if you can afford it.
ATP is the most well established out of all these and probably the most renowned.
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ATP is the most well established out of all these and probably the most renowned.
Since you mentioned loans, ATP has the best loan options. Wells fargo and Sallie mae has interest only payments and deferred payments. I still say do training with the least amount of debt possible, but to each his own
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Since you mentioned loans, ATP has the best loan options. Wells fargo and Sallie mae has interest only payments and deferred payments. I still say do training with the least amount of debt possible, but to each his own
Heavily leaning towards LIFT because of subsidized cost. Don't mind toughing out 2/3 years.

Don't know what's gonna happen with Coronavirus.
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