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Valiant 03-13-2020 06:37 AM
ATP vs LIFT vs Lufthansa Flight Training
 
Confused between three schools
People define these regimented schools as being means to an end. I personally prefer the regimented nature. So even I might get a cheech and chong typa instructor the program will still keep me on schedule.

ATP-Fast. But high loan payments and bad CFI pay. Dont know the exact cost for 2020
LIFT-OK CFI pay. Subsidized cost. But 5 year contract with Republic. Don't what exactly happens if you break the contract.
Lufthansa Flight Training-Relatively unknown. $105k estimated cost. Don't know if CFI job is guaranteed and if I need IASA or European residency. Not exactly sure if there would be a contract with Lufthansa or not.

Oh and I'm pretty much broke.
Need guidance folks.

Air Guitar 03-13-2020 02:15 PM
ATP is part 61. You will owe over 100k if you get a loan when it's all said and done.

LIFT part 141. The subsidy is from the state of Indiana, where RAH is based and the school is located. You break your contract, you pay back the extra 20k from the subsidized tuition cost. Also since it is only 1 school location, they will eventually have too many students to guarentee a CFI position.

Lufthansa Flight Traing is an international flight school for that german airline, so you can't go to it, but they do hire american CFI's.

LondonLad 03-13-2020 07:06 PM
Originally Posted by Air Guitar (Post 2997146)
ATP is part 61. You will owe over 100k if you get a loan when it's all said and done.

LIFT part 141. The subsidy is from the state of Indiana, where RAH is based and the school is located. You break your contract, you pay back the extra 20k from the subsidized tuition cost. Also since it is only 1 school location, they will eventually have too many students to guarentee a CFI position.

Lufthansa Flight Traing is an international flight school for that german airline, so you can't go to it, but they do hire american CFI's.
Yeah you can go to Lufthansa training school. They quoted me $95k. Redicious price. Passed on the offer.

Air Guitar 03-13-2020 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by LondonLad (Post 2997465)
Yeah you can go to Lufthansa training school. They quoted me $95k. Redicious price. Passed on the offer.
Well that's news to me. I don't see the incentive to going there unless they have a deal with american regionals to offer double tuition reimbursement...

Valiant 03-13-2020 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Air Guitar (Post 2997146)
ATP is part 61. You will owe over 100k if you get a loan when it's all said and done.

LIFT part 141. The subsidy is from the state of Indiana, where RAH is based and the school is located. You break your contract, you pay back the extra 20k from the subsidized tuition cost. Also since it is only 1 school location, they will eventually have too many students to guarentee a CFI position.

Lufthansa Flight Traing is an international flight school for that german airline, so you can't go to it, but they do hire american CFI's.
So what if I go through LIFT and they don't hire me as CFI does that mean I still owe the extra $20k over the original cost. OTOH wouldn't republic/LIFT know how to manage their pipeline to prevent maxing out on CFI and prospective CFIs??

IF ANYONE KNOWS ANY OTHER REPUTABLE 0-HERO PROGRAMS PLEASE DO TELL ME.

Valiant 03-13-2020 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by LondonLad (Post 2997465)
Yeah you can go to Lufthansa training school. They quoted me $95k. Redicious price. Passed on the offer.
They quoted me around $105k with residency cost etc through SalliMae.

threeighteen 03-13-2020 08:49 PM
Check out American Flyers.

Air Guitar 03-13-2020 08:50 PM
Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 2997535)
So what if I go through LIFT and they don't hire me as CFI does that mean I still owe the extra $20k over the original cost. OTOH wouldn't republic/LIFT know how to manage their pipeline to prevent maxing out on CFI and prospective CFIs??

IF ANYONE KNOWS ANY OTHER REPUTABLE 0-HERO PROGRAMS PLEASE DO TELL ME.
I'm sure LIFT has provisions for the future. Opening a 2nd location or partnering up with a 135. Call them and get that info from them directly.

My suggestion would be to incur the least amount of debt as possible. Find a decent place locally to knock out your PPL that would allow you to fly 3-4 times or more a week. Then go from there. Both LIFT and ATP will take you with your private.

Valiant 03-14-2020 05:52 AM
Originally Posted by Air Guitar (Post 2997544)
I'm sure LIFT has provisions for the future. Opening a 2nd location or partnering up with a 135. Call them and get that info from them directly.

My suggestion would be to incur the least amount of debt as possible. Find a decent place locally to knock out your PPL that would allow you to fly 3-4 times or more a week. Then go from there. Both LIFT and ATP will take you with your private.
I tried two local mom and pop schools both were very wishy washy scheduling me for a day then giving me a week off. This kept on going for about 2 months. That's why I am now looking at 0-Hero schools now.

Air Guitar 03-14-2020 06:12 AM
Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 2997713)
I tried two local mom and pop schools both were very wishy washy scheduling me for a day then giving me a week off. This kept on going for about 2 months. That's why I am now looking at 0-Hero schools now.
JetBlue's gateway select ab initio program application window is open. You can apply there. The training is with CAE.

http://pilots.jetblue.com/gateway-select


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