PreciousCargo

Hello I have a multi engine ATP and only single engine private privileges. I was thinking of getting my single engine commercial and It was brought to my attention that if I have an ATP multi engine I can go straight to the ATP single engine as an add on and skip the commercial ticket for single engine. I have some questions for those that know or are familiar with the process?

how is the oral? I was looking in ACS but the document reads for initial applicants. Do I need to go over all of that again or is their another document out there i should be referencing.

here is my refference

Airline Transport Pilot and Type Rating for Airplane Airman Certification Standards (FAA-S-ACS-11) (Change 1)

will i need to do another written?

What type of examiner is needed for this exam and who can teach me and sign me off?

For those of you that may be wondering "why would you want a single engine ATP if you have a multi?

well the answer is simple. Things arent going well these days and even though a single engine job pays less it's still better than nothing. I dont know what the future holds so I figure I would just be prepared. Some single engine places are hiring now.

thanks

TiredSoul

Caution: I have not looked anything up and giving you an answer off the cuff:

I’m thinking you do NOT need another written nor do you require another Oral examination as you already hold an ATP.
So this would be a ride only.
But it’s an instrument ride to ATP standards while a Commercial would be VFR maneuvers.
Your choice.

ugleeual

ATP SE add on is the easiest method... no maneuvers other than the approaches. No written and shouldn’t have an oral other than the instrument briefing.

PreciousCargo

I think I have to do stalls if I recall what I read correctly and the instrument stuff but no lazy 8s and chandel. I think because I didnt get the commercial single i have to do the 180 degree single engine out though.


that's out of the ACS for ATP. But the matrix says initial applicant. I'm not initial so idk if everything in the matrix applies to me

neverposts

Is he trying to become more competitive for three or four jobs that require a single engine A T P? Is there really a market for this rating?

PreciousCargo

the ATP rating supersedes the single engine commercial. If it's easier for me to get the ATP single engine add on vs the commercial single engine add on then to me it makes sense to do that. Unfortunately now with my current ratings I dont qualify for any single engine pilot jobs

rayburton72

There is no “add on” matrix for ATP single. It is considered an initial ride for the flight portion.

For the oral, you basically just cover the airplane used for the ride.

At least that what’s i’ve been told by the examiner doing my ATP single ride next week

And as mentioned, if you do not have a commercial single, there are several “extra” maneuvers required.


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TiredSoul

I used to know somebody who took his ATP SE in a Cherokee 140.

PreciousCargo

so no talk of weather, crew rest or anything like that? Just the systems of the airplane? I know its DPE dependant but how deep do they go in systems. Still a 2 hr oral like I did for my ATP multi? (Mine was actually 3 hrs)


also does the require a "special" CFI and DPE?

tallpilot

The ACS added several topics to the initial multi-engine ATP oral exam. You have already completed that. The only questions for a single add on will be about the systems on the airplane used for the check ride and performance calculations. It is a much easier ride than commercial since there are no chandelles or lazy eights but you will have to do a power off 180. Not all DPEs are authorized to give ATP ratings but most who are will have single engine authority. No written test is required. No instructor endorsement is required but of course a few practice sessions would be advisable. Any single engine CFI is authorized to give the training but I would find one with ATP experience.
Will it help you get a job? Who knows. I suspect the caravan and Pilatus operators are more concerned with total time than the ATP since it is easily added during the initial 135.297. On the off chance you get a pink slip trying to get the rating on your own that will probably damage your career prospects more than not having it. Consider the risk/reward.