Flaps or no Flaps, that is the question.
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Not in a a Cessna 172 you haven’t.
Under Part 141 you have to use an FAA approved syllabus.
What does the syllabus state?
Im assuming this is a pilot mill with lots of foreign students? Crank ‘em out and send them home?
These skills are learned during Private then adapted during IR.
Under Part 141 you have to use an FAA approved syllabus.
What does the syllabus state?
Im assuming this is a pilot mill with lots of foreign students? Crank ‘em out and send them home?
These skills are learned during Private then adapted during IR.
#23
Teach them to land clean. The H-bracket on the 172 firewall will thank you, especially if you have two pilots, no ballast and an impatient student. The airplane handles better with the additonal speed. Everything they're going to fly after the 172 is going to land faster anyway.
Your reluctance to add flaps is completely reasonable. All those flaps coming out at the bottom suggests unstable approach to a porpoise to a nose wheel landing to me. If the book calls for clean or full, you can't be wrong landing clean.
Your reluctance to add flaps is completely reasonable. All those flaps coming out at the bottom suggests unstable approach to a porpoise to a nose wheel landing to me. If the book calls for clean or full, you can't be wrong landing clean.
#24
You would lose in court if the school is in fact using an approved syllabus as others have stated and you deviated from the SOP no matter what you think might be safer. If you want to teach your own way - become a freelance instructor, until then - fly the school’s planes, teach the school’s students the way that they are paying you to fly and teach. Along those paths, if you think you have a better way of doing business, present it, let it go through the process, get yourself into a position where you have more influence or decision making power and enact changes.
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You would lose in court if the school is in fact using an approved syllabus as others have stated and you deviated from the SOP no matter what you think might be safer. If you want to teach your own way - become a freelance instructor, until then - fly the school’s planes, teach the school’s students the way that they are paying you to fly and teach. Along those paths, if you think you have a better way of doing business, present it, let it go through the process, get yourself into a position where you have more influence or decision making power and enact changes.
A syllabus is AFM/POH agnostic. Of course I teach the syllabus. However, after further conversing the SOP is conflict with the approved checklist.
So, which do you ignore? The SOP, which says approach and landing clean, or the checklist which says Flaps-Set, and Airspeed 65-70 knots?
The way I see it, one either changes the SOP, or changes the checklist. If I am Joe-pilot, I go with configuring the aircraft based on what's on the checklist.
#26
A syllabus is AFM/POH agnostic. Of course I teach the syllabus. However, after further conversing the SOP is conflict with the approved checklist.
So, which do you ignore? The SOP, which says approach and landing clean, or the checklist which says Flaps-Set, and Airspeed 65-70 knots?
The way I see it, one either changes the SOP, or changes the checklist. If I am Joe-pilot, I go with configuring the aircraft based on what's on the checklist.
So, which do you ignore? The SOP, which says approach and landing clean, or the checklist which says Flaps-Set, and Airspeed 65-70 knots?
The way I see it, one either changes the SOP, or changes the checklist. If I am Joe-pilot, I go with configuring the aircraft based on what's on the checklist.
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Every Cessna 172 I've flown can land with flaps in any setting desired. Just keep it clean. A legal pilot will have reviewed their performance manual and determined the safe margin for landing in that configuration. Additionally, if a safe landing cannot be assured perform a missed approach.
#30
Every Cessna 172 I've flown can land with flaps in any setting desired. Just keep it clean. A legal pilot will have reviewed their performance manual and determined the safe margin for landing in that configuration. Additionally, if a safe landing cannot be assured perform a missed approach.
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