Add-on instructor written test question
04-07-2021, 10:19 PM
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Add-on instructor written test question
I have a student that is a CFI-G and is going to be adding on CFI-A. He is studying for the written and planning to take the 25 question add-on written. He asked me a question that I didn't know the answer to so I figured I would tap the knowledge base here.
He is using the ASA prep and the key at the beginning says to study questions with 'AIR' marked before the question. However, some of the questions that are marked 'AIR' are also marked 'GLI', so presumably he's already been tested on those. But it's a little unclear if those questions can be re-asked again?
The test prep does make a distinction that anything marked 'ALL' does not need to be studied. Most of the questions that are marked for both 'AIR' and 'GLI' are items in the aerodynamics and aircraft performance category. Tried looking through regs and other FAA docs and came up empty.
Logic should dictate that they won't be asked again, but I know the FAA/govt doesn't always deal in logic. Any help that could be provided would be awesome.
He is using the ASA prep and the key at the beginning says to study questions with 'AIR' marked before the question. However, some of the questions that are marked 'AIR' are also marked 'GLI', so presumably he's already been tested on those. But it's a little unclear if those questions can be re-asked again?
The test prep does make a distinction that anything marked 'ALL' does not need to be studied. Most of the questions that are marked for both 'AIR' and 'GLI' are items in the aerodynamics and aircraft performance category. Tried looking through regs and other FAA docs and came up empty.
Logic should dictate that they won't be asked again, but I know the FAA/govt doesn't always deal in logic. Any help that could be provided would be awesome.
04-08-2021, 02:43 AM
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He should study everything.
It never ceases to amaze that someone who is seeking instructor certification is trying to find the way to do the bare minimum study.
If it says "all," it applies to all.
He won't need to be tested on the fundamentals of instruction. He should pay attention to anything pertaining to the category sought, if adding a category; AIR for airplane, and all, which means applicable to all.
A very good practice is to shoot for something a bit higher than the bare minimum.
It never ceases to amaze that someone who is seeking instructor certification is trying to find the way to do the bare minimum study.
If it says "all," it applies to all.
He won't need to be tested on the fundamentals of instruction. He should pay attention to anything pertaining to the category sought, if adding a category; AIR for airplane, and all, which means applicable to all.
A very good practice is to shoot for something a bit higher than the bare minimum.
04-08-2021, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by kaputt
I have a student that is a CFI-G and is going to be adding on CFI-A. He is studying for the written and planning to take the 25 question add-on written. He asked me a question that I didn't know the answer to so I figured I would tap the knowledge base here.
He is using the ASA prep and the key at the beginning says to study questions with 'AIR' marked before the question. However, some of the questions that are marked 'AIR' are also marked 'GLI', so presumably he's already been tested on those. But it's a little unclear if those questions can be re-asked again?
The test prep does make a distinction that anything marked 'ALL' does not need to be studied. Most of the questions that are marked for both 'AIR' and 'GLI' are items in the aerodynamics and aircraft performance category. Tried looking through regs and other FAA docs and came up empty.
Logic should dictate that they won't be asked again, but I know the FAA/govt doesn't always deal in logic. Any help that could be provided would be awesome.
He is using the ASA prep and the key at the beginning says to study questions with 'AIR' marked before the question. However, some of the questions that are marked 'AIR' are also marked 'GLI', so presumably he's already been tested on those. But it's a little unclear if those questions can be re-asked again?
The test prep does make a distinction that anything marked 'ALL' does not need to be studied. Most of the questions that are marked for both 'AIR' and 'GLI' are items in the aerodynamics and aircraft performance category. Tried looking through regs and other FAA docs and came up empty.
Logic should dictate that they won't be asked again, but I know the FAA/govt doesn't always deal in logic. Any help that could be provided would be awesome.
The other misunderstanding about doing an add on rating is the examiner CAN ask you questions about anything related to the check ride. So the add on applicant CAN be asked about the FOI and fail the check ride for not knowing the FOIs.
If you read page 21, just below the addon matrix of FAA-S-8081-6D Flight Instructor Practical Test Standards for Airplane it says the following
"At the discretion of the examiner, the applicant’s competence in any Area of Operation may be evaluated."
This means any question can be asked, any knowledge can be tested regardless of if it is part of the addon matrix or not.
04-08-2021, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Av8tr1
. . . Eventually I just went ahead and took the full 100 question test. Did two things for me. Better prepared me for the test AND I could miss more questions and still pass than I could with the 25 question test . . .
04-09-2021, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
He should study everything.
It never ceases to amaze that someone who is seeking instructor certification is trying to find the way to do the bare minimum study.
If it says "all," it applies to all.
He won't need to be tested on the fundamentals of instruction. He should pay attention to anything pertaining to the category sought, if adding a category; AIR for airplane, and all, which means applicable to all.
A very good practice is to shoot for something a bit higher than the bare minimum.
It never ceases to amaze that someone who is seeking instructor certification is trying to find the way to do the bare minimum study.
If it says "all," it applies to all.
He won't need to be tested on the fundamentals of instruction. He should pay attention to anything pertaining to the category sought, if adding a category; AIR for airplane, and all, which means applicable to all.
A very good practice is to shoot for something a bit higher than the bare minimum.
The test was short, maybe like 15 questions. It was mostly glider related but there were some instrument questions about NDBs of all things! This was in 2016.
There is more study material on the market for powered flight certificates and its so much easier to come by. The thought that this guy seems to be taking more time and energy finding shortcuts than just doing it the right way is disrespectful to the craft.
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