0-1500 Hours, How would you do yours now?
11-06-2022, 06:41 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Really? Every time I hear a radial, I cringe just a little, because I went years when I was never free of exhaust burns on my arms, had punctures and rips from safety wire that never seemed to heal, and didn’t own a stick of clothing that wasn’t stained with 120 weight oil. I can’t say I feel too nostalgic about that.
Are you sure those aren’t DC-6’s that you’re seeing in Anchorage (Everts)? Alaska Air a fuel lost their sole DC-4 in 2020 at Yakataga.
Are you sure those aren’t DC-6’s that you’re seeing in Anchorage (Everts)? Alaska Air a fuel lost their sole DC-4 in 2020 at Yakataga.
11-07-2022, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DKAR
Great thread! I was looking for info on this as well..
Is there a better way to build your hours to 1500 than instructing?
What's the minimum to get into a regional/cargo/corporate gig?
Is it feasible to instruct AND fly for pay?
Is there a better way to build your hours to 1500 than instructing?
What's the minimum to get into a regional/cargo/corporate gig?
Is it feasible to instruct AND fly for pay?
Yes, you can fly for hire and instruct at the same time but there are a few issues you need to be aware of. Most companies limit (or even prohibit) the practice. If they do allow it, you will have to report your hours to your employer. Now, one can argue no one will know so don’t tell them but that’s a decision for an individual to make. You will have limits to how much you can fly so you will have to comply with them and any outside flying counts toward those limits.
11-08-2022, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by QRH Bingo
Ask “What’s better” and you’ll get a dozen different answers. 500 hrs is about the current minimum to get into a corporate or cargo gig without some sort of internal recommendation. I would argue 800 begins to be competitive.
Yes, you can fly for hire and instruct at the same time but there are a few issues you need to be aware of. Most companies limit (or even prohibit) the practice. If they do allow it, you will have to report your hours to your employer. Now, one can argue no one will know so don’t tell them but that’s a decision for an individual to make. You will have limits to how much you can fly so you will have to comply with them and any outside flying counts toward those limits.
Yes, you can fly for hire and instruct at the same time but there are a few issues you need to be aware of. Most companies limit (or even prohibit) the practice. If they do allow it, you will have to report your hours to your employer. Now, one can argue no one will know so don’t tell them but that’s a decision for an individual to make. You will have limits to how much you can fly so you will have to comply with them and any outside flying counts toward those limits.
11-08-2022, 07:11 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by DKAR
So the limitation would be set by the cargo airline and you would have to take the mandated days off?
11-09-2022, 08:49 AM
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Figured I would add my two cents here.
I went to ATP in Colorado and really enjoyed my time there. My instructors were fantastic, great DPEs in the area, never busted a checkride, and made it all the way through MEI. Took me about 9 months from zero time to MEI but keep in mind I'm also a full time engineering student. Now I'm instructing at a Part 141 school and I'm enjoying it. With the amount of flying I'm doing, I should be at ATP mins by September next year (I finished ATP with about 250TT and got hired at my FS in August).
Few notes about ATP:
Everyone there wants you to succeed. I had great instructors but have heard horror stories around the country so your milage may vary. The planes and MX is fantastic - never flew anything older than a 2018 172 and a 2013 PA-44. MX is always helpful and keeps the planes in great shape. A lot of people who go to ATP wash out. They expect you to give your 100% while in training and to always be studying. Doing this will help your chances succeed, especially when you get to CFI academy. CFI academy was pretty fun for me, but again, you need to give your 100%. About half of my class made it through while the other half had to defer. A few notes about the expense - yes it is bloody expensive, but worth it in my book. A few years ago? Probably not. Regionals are now paying $90/hr and it makes the investment worth it. On top of that, all of the planes are practically new and the simulators are great. CFI academy expenses are also taken care of (if you're coming from out of state, they will pay for a rental car and put you up in a proper apartment). Also, if you plan on instructing at ATP, prepare for a pretty good wait time to get the position at the training center of your choice. For me to instruct at my location in CO, it was going to be about a 10mo wait. If you're prepare to move across the country, you can get a job immediately after completing MEI.
Would I do it again? Yeah, probably. I enjoyed it but it definitely isn't for everyone. If you can't learn quickly in a high stress environment, I wouldn't recommend it.
I went to ATP in Colorado and really enjoyed my time there. My instructors were fantastic, great DPEs in the area, never busted a checkride, and made it all the way through MEI. Took me about 9 months from zero time to MEI but keep in mind I'm also a full time engineering student. Now I'm instructing at a Part 141 school and I'm enjoying it. With the amount of flying I'm doing, I should be at ATP mins by September next year (I finished ATP with about 250TT and got hired at my FS in August).
Few notes about ATP:
Everyone there wants you to succeed. I had great instructors but have heard horror stories around the country so your milage may vary. The planes and MX is fantastic - never flew anything older than a 2018 172 and a 2013 PA-44. MX is always helpful and keeps the planes in great shape. A lot of people who go to ATP wash out. They expect you to give your 100% while in training and to always be studying. Doing this will help your chances succeed, especially when you get to CFI academy. CFI academy was pretty fun for me, but again, you need to give your 100%. About half of my class made it through while the other half had to defer. A few notes about the expense - yes it is bloody expensive, but worth it in my book. A few years ago? Probably not. Regionals are now paying $90/hr and it makes the investment worth it. On top of that, all of the planes are practically new and the simulators are great. CFI academy expenses are also taken care of (if you're coming from out of state, they will pay for a rental car and put you up in a proper apartment). Also, if you plan on instructing at ATP, prepare for a pretty good wait time to get the position at the training center of your choice. For me to instruct at my location in CO, it was going to be about a 10mo wait. If you're prepare to move across the country, you can get a job immediately after completing MEI.
Would I do it again? Yeah, probably. I enjoyed it but it definitely isn't for everyone. If you can't learn quickly in a high stress environment, I wouldn't recommend it.
11-13-2022, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by liquefaction
Figured I would add my two cents here.
I went to ATP in Colorado and really enjoyed my time there. My instructors were fantastic, great DPEs in the area, never busted a checkride, and made it all the way through MEI. Took me about 9 months from zero time to MEI but keep in mind I'm also a full time engineering student. Now I'm instructing at a Part 141 school and I'm enjoying it. With the amount of flying I'm doing, I should be at ATP mins by September next year (I finished ATP with about 250TT and got hired at my FS in August).
Few notes about ATP:
Everyone there wants you to succeed. I had great instructors but have heard horror stories around the country so your milage may vary. The planes and MX is fantastic - never flew anything older than a 2018 172 and a 2013 PA-44. MX is always helpful and keeps the planes in great shape. A lot of people who go to ATP wash out. They expect you to give your 100% while in training and to always be studying. Doing this will help your chances succeed, especially when you get to CFI academy. CFI academy was pretty fun for me, but again, you need to give your 100%. About half of my class made it through while the other half had to defer. A few notes about the expense - yes it is bloody expensive, but worth it in my book. A few years ago? Probably not. Regionals are now paying $90/hr and it makes the investment worth it. On top of that, all of the planes are practically new and the simulators are great. CFI academy expenses are also taken care of (if you're coming from out of state, they will pay for a rental car and put you up in a proper apartment). Also, if you plan on instructing at ATP, prepare for a pretty good wait time to get the position at the training center of your choice. For me to instruct at my location in CO, it was going to be about a 10mo wait. If you're prepare to move across the country, you can get a job immediately after completing MEI.
Would I do it again? Yeah, probably. I enjoyed it but it definitely isn't for everyone. If you can't learn quickly in a high stress environment, I wouldn't recommend it.
I went to ATP in Colorado and really enjoyed my time there. My instructors were fantastic, great DPEs in the area, never busted a checkride, and made it all the way through MEI. Took me about 9 months from zero time to MEI but keep in mind I'm also a full time engineering student. Now I'm instructing at a Part 141 school and I'm enjoying it. With the amount of flying I'm doing, I should be at ATP mins by September next year (I finished ATP with about 250TT and got hired at my FS in August).
Few notes about ATP:
Everyone there wants you to succeed. I had great instructors but have heard horror stories around the country so your milage may vary. The planes and MX is fantastic - never flew anything older than a 2018 172 and a 2013 PA-44. MX is always helpful and keeps the planes in great shape. A lot of people who go to ATP wash out. They expect you to give your 100% while in training and to always be studying. Doing this will help your chances succeed, especially when you get to CFI academy. CFI academy was pretty fun for me, but again, you need to give your 100%. About half of my class made it through while the other half had to defer. A few notes about the expense - yes it is bloody expensive, but worth it in my book. A few years ago? Probably not. Regionals are now paying $90/hr and it makes the investment worth it. On top of that, all of the planes are practically new and the simulators are great. CFI academy expenses are also taken care of (if you're coming from out of state, they will pay for a rental car and put you up in a proper apartment). Also, if you plan on instructing at ATP, prepare for a pretty good wait time to get the position at the training center of your choice. For me to instruct at my location in CO, it was going to be about a 10mo wait. If you're prepare to move across the country, you can get a job immediately after completing MEI.
Would I do it again? Yeah, probably. I enjoyed it but it definitely isn't for everyone. If you can't learn quickly in a high stress environment, I wouldn't recommend it.
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