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Got160s 08-11-2023 11:33 AM

Anyone struggle with landing?
 
So I went to a big flight school and we had some delays, several plane issues and maintenance issues. So I feel like that hurt my
Training a bit. However. I just started a smaller flight school to continue my training after having a month off and before that I flew around 4 times in a month. Total time is around 53 hours. I still haven’t soloed yet. I feel like the last 3 flights with an older plane are getting decent, but I feel like I’m still a little ways away from soloing. Anyone have anything to help out with landing? So before I could flare amazing. But I was having issues side loading the plane. Now I’m not side loading as much, but now my flare is just not as smooth as it once was.

galaxy flyer 08-11-2023 02:52 PM

If you haven’t been solo’d at 53 hours, you might consider another endeavor. Even with breaks in training, that’s way too long unless the school is milking your along to run up the bill. Normal would be about 10-14 hours.

Excargodog 08-11-2023 02:57 PM

At Part 61 schools the average time to solo is only about 15 hours. Some people do it in 10 hours. You need to sit down with your instructor and ask THEM where your deficiencies are that are keeping you from being recommended for solo and how to correct them, not a bunch of pilots who have never seen you fly let alone seen you land.

Got160s 08-11-2023 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 3681252)
If you haven’t been solo’d at 53 hours, you might consider another endeavor. Even with breaks in training, that’s way too long unless the school is milking your along to run up the bill. Normal would be about 10-14 hours.

Last school wouldn’t let me solo until after 40 hours

QRH Bingo 08-11-2023 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Got160s (Post 3681266)
Last school wouldn’t let me solo until after 40 hours

Is that a school policy or were you not showing the proper progress?
If it were a school policy, then they were stealing your money.
You would benefit from some serious soul searching and deep discussions with your instructor AND the chief CFI (if there is one). You need to identify what is causing the hiccup here. I've instructed some individuals who were sloooooow learners. It took time and they eventually did it - but at a serious financial cost. And frankly, likely never pursued anything past their PPL.

Switch 08-11-2023 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by QRH Bingo (Post 3681332)
Is that a school policy or were you not showing the proper progress?
If it were a school policy, then they were stealing your money.
You would benefit from some serious soul searching and deep discussions with your instructor AND the chief CFI (if there is one). You need to identify what is causing the hiccup here. I've instructed some individuals who were sloooooow learners. It took time and they eventually did it - but at a serious financial cost. And frankly, likely never pursued anything past their PPL.

Sounds like ATP, company policy not to solo students before 40 hours of flight time.

JamesNoBrakes 08-12-2023 04:47 AM

Definitely. I really had no idea what I was doing as far as landing until CFI, because my instruction prior was crap. At that point I had to break it down to be able to teach it (and I had a good CFI instructor?). Prior it was “pull the power when it looks good” or when “you got it made”, “you were focusing in the wrong place” and so on.

zone of no movement, what distance exactly in hundreds of feet from the ZNM to start reducing power, how fast to reduce power, how high above the runway in feet or wing-lengths you need to be level in the round out and waiting for the sink to raise pitch, what pitch to go to, how high you need to be turning final at what distance, and how to measure those. Then how to adjust these all for every 5kts of headwind. Consistency is the start of being able to modify and make changes that will be positive. If you are “winging” it, inconsistency is going to be king.

Jmcgibbon 08-15-2023 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Got160s (Post 3681148)
So I went to a big flight school and we had some delays, several plane issues and maintenance issues. So I feel like that hurt my
Training a bit. However. I just started a smaller flight school to continue my training after having a month off and before that I flew around 4 times in a month. Total time is around 53 hours. I still haven’t soloed yet. I feel like the last 3 flights with an older plane are getting decent, but I feel like I’m still a little ways away from soloing. Anyone have anything to help out with landing? So before I could flare amazing. But I was having issues side loading the plane. Now I’m not side loading as much, but now my flare is just not as smooth as it once was.

if you were only flying once a week on average it’s going to take a longer time to get proficient. That’s a fact. Anyone that says give up on a dream because it’s taking you longer than it took them is to be ignored. No two people will learn at the same rate and you need to put the blinders on (not while landing) and own your journey. I flew sporadically before starting flight training in earnest so I began with 9 hours in my log book. I logged another 30+ hrs at the flight school prior to solo. That’s longer than it took A LOT of people but I never let it get to me. I kept working at it. I now have my Instrument rating and commercial certificate and I’m training for CFI. You may take a while still to get your PPL but I’ve heard of people who took over 100 hrs to get private, one is an airline pilot at a major now. Stick with it and good luck. Ignore the naysayers that tell you to walk away.

JohnBurke 08-15-2023 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 3681420)
zone of no movement, what distance exactly in hundreds of feet from the ZNM to start reducing power, how fast to reduce power, how high above the runway in feet or wing-lengths you need to be level in the round out and waiting for the sink to raise pitch, what pitch to go to, how high you need to be turning final at what distance, and how to measure those. Then how to adjust these all for every 5kts of headwind. Consistency is the start of being able to modify and make changes that will be positive.

I have no idea what the "zone of no movement" is or where it begins or ends (or even what color or flavor it might be), but after four decades of this, a few certificates, a few types, a few kinds of landing gear (and a few aircraft without wheels), I've never found landing to be anything but a judgement call every time.


Originally Posted by Jmcgibbon (Post 3683006)
Ignore the naysayers that tell you to walk away.

While one may appreciate your view as someone with zero experience who has never taught a student or worked in aviation a day in his life, some of those "naysayers" have a few years (decades) of experience doing just that, and have seen and evaluated enough to make that call. There are those who will get it, and those who won't. A number of those who won't still manage to slip through the cracks and become headaches for instructors, evaluators, check airmen, and captains in the working world. It ain't our first rodeo.

Red Forman 08-15-2023 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Got160s (Post 3681266)
Last school wouldn’t let me solo until after 40 hours

Then you need to find a better school.


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