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Old 02-19-2009, 09:22 PM
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My friend has SE and ME private license and instrument rated. How many hours of dual are required to get the commercial license? I have a feeling that he is getting the wrong information from his current school. He was told that some of the required x-countries need to be with an instructor, but I don't see it in the FAR. Please help....

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He needs a 2 hour 100 nm dual x/c flight in day vfr conditions, and one of the same in night vfr conditions (SEL rating, I assume).

Some of this might have been accomplished as part of the private and instrument requirements (vfr conditions); otherwise it appears the school is correct. Also, I'm not 100% sure about the instrument x/c counting - there may be an interpretation otherwise, even though the flying may have been performed CAVU.
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FAR 61.129:

1) 10 hours of dual instruction in a complex airplane. Ref. (3) (ii).
2) 100 nm-or-2 hours Day VFR (dual) Cross Country. Ref (3) (iii).
3) 100 nm-or- 2 hours Night VFR (dual) Cross Country Ref (3) (iv).
4) 300 nm Day VFR Cross Country (solo) with a leg of at least 250 nm Ref. (4) (i).
5) 5 hours of Night VFR (solo) with at least 10 takeoffs in controlled airspace Ref. (4) (ii).
6) receive 3 hours of dual within 60 days of checkride Ref. (3) (v).

I teach commercial students quite a bit.
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Cubdriver is correct in the above. I would olny add that he could also be in a 141 course; they are usually custom tailored to the school so he may need more to get a grad cert.
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver View Post
FAR 61.129:

1) 10 hours of dual instruction in a complex airplane. Ref. (3) (ii).
2) 100 nm-or-2 hours Day VFR (dual) Cross Country. Ref (3) (iii).
3) 100 nm-or- 2 hours Night VFR (dual) Cross Country Ref (3) (iv).
4) 300 nm Day VFR Cross Country (solo) with a leg of at least 250 nm Ref. (4) (i).
5) 5 hours of Night VFR (solo) with at least 10 takeoffs in controlled airspace Ref. (4) (ii).
6) receive 3 hours of dual within 60 days of checkride Ref. (3) (v).

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Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions.

As far as the requirements,

1. Right now, he has more than 10 hours of complex training. This was obtained when he did his private ME rating. Does he need 10 extra hours?
2. and 3. Do the x-coutry for his private count?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

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Originally Posted by MDT06 View Post
Thank you for taking the time to answer the questions.

As far as the requirements,

1. Right now, he has more than 10 hours of complex training. This was obtained when he did his private ME rating. Does he need 10 extra hours?
Nope, it counts.

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2. and 3. Do the x-country for his private count?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

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Yes, as long as they met the appropriate definition. Private pilot flight times may be applied to the commercial experience requirements where applicable.

One thing that hangs people up sometimes on (4) and (5) above: these items must be performed solo, as in nobody on board but the pilot. No girlfriend, pal, etc. Not even a stowaway pet. You aren't even supposed to THINK about having these things on board (kidding).
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I think that as long as he has meet the requirements as far as endorsements, times, experience, etc... the only thing he has to do is prepare for the oral and practical tests to be able to demonstrate proficiency (PTS) of the Commercial Manuvers, as well as complete any XC requirements.
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