ATP (AllATPs) students--Currently enrolled and previously attended
12-05-2007, 07:41 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Student Pilot
Posts: 120
Originally Posted by ctd57
"Kool aid drinking panties" for ATP? Haven't heard that one yet, and I would say that I am far from that. I went there as a student, then instructed for 18 months. There are plenty of issues that I have with ATP. I have gotten in many a phone arguements with Jim about some things that he and I did not see eye to eye on. There are some current programs and policies that I here they are doing now that I disagree with. It was still a great place to go and get your ratings. I had alot of fun with the guys I flew with, and going on cross countries all over the country. My post that you commented about was just talking about their fleet of aircraft, nothing more, nothing less.
12-08-2007, 01:50 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: CRJ CA
Posts: 309
Yes I was an instructor when I had my disputes with him, and it was about money, but not mine. He refused to give a student of mine on a couple occations, some flight time back after having to deal with an inflight issue. Gear stuck down, instrument failure..among some other issues with the sim we had at our location. You can't really do steep turns with the gear stuck down and this student was there for a 2 day ATP(4 hours of flight training which includes the flight to the checkride). We lost about 1 hour of flight time for that issue. The student didn't really need it, but I would have felt more comfortable if he was given back that hour incase he did need it. It was really out of priniciples of good business practice that I called him on it for, but I found out that he didn't really care, and his opinion was that since he was a military pilot, he shouldn't need 4 hours to learn an airplane. He really didn't know what he was talking about. Oh well, I don't have to deal with him anymore. I never had a money issue when I was a student.
12-11-2007, 11:25 AM
#33
Kept down by the man
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 657
I finished the 90 day program in August and I have mixed feelings about the school. While the overall program was great there are some things that they definitely could do better.
Their scheduling is definitely one of the places that they are lacking in organization. I attended the Jacksonville office and they had a white board that the instructors would sign out the aircraft at the beginning of the day, and then when all of them were taken the other instructors would have to run around trying to find out when another one would be available. This caused a lot of downtime and many days that I was unable to fly. Most of my instrument rating flights didnt even get wheels up until between 11pm and 2am.
Several times I had maintainence issues with the planes and I have to say that they have an excellent maintainence facility. On your cross country flights sometimes you may get stuck somewhere for a night (like I did when we picked up a plane with a busted starter), but they make sure you get on your way very quickly (they overnighted a special starter to the FBO and we were on our way the next day).
I was told when I started there that most people finish the program in less than 90 days. Thats definitely not true (at least it wasnt in August). I started on April 30th and did not leave Jacksonville until August 22nd and that was before I could get my CFISE and CSEL checkrides done. I was put on hold for 2 weeks to get into one of the CFI Schools because I missed my date by 1 day due to broken planes in the cross country phase.
Overall it was a good experience and I would definitely repeat it (especially now knowing that the RJ course is part of the ACP Program)... The cross country phase was by far one of the best aviation experiences I have had. I got to travel between Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and South Carolina. It is definitely not for everyone but if you are willing to put the time and effort into it you can definitely get alot out of it.
Their scheduling is definitely one of the places that they are lacking in organization. I attended the Jacksonville office and they had a white board that the instructors would sign out the aircraft at the beginning of the day, and then when all of them were taken the other instructors would have to run around trying to find out when another one would be available. This caused a lot of downtime and many days that I was unable to fly. Most of my instrument rating flights didnt even get wheels up until between 11pm and 2am.
Several times I had maintainence issues with the planes and I have to say that they have an excellent maintainence facility. On your cross country flights sometimes you may get stuck somewhere for a night (like I did when we picked up a plane with a busted starter), but they make sure you get on your way very quickly (they overnighted a special starter to the FBO and we were on our way the next day).
I was told when I started there that most people finish the program in less than 90 days. Thats definitely not true (at least it wasnt in August). I started on April 30th and did not leave Jacksonville until August 22nd and that was before I could get my CFISE and CSEL checkrides done. I was put on hold for 2 weeks to get into one of the CFI Schools because I missed my date by 1 day due to broken planes in the cross country phase.
Overall it was a good experience and I would definitely repeat it (especially now knowing that the RJ course is part of the ACP Program)... The cross country phase was by far one of the best aviation experiences I have had. I got to travel between Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and South Carolina. It is definitely not for everyone but if you are willing to put the time and effort into it you can definitely get alot out of it.
12-15-2007, 05:16 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Chair Flying
Posts: 257
hey de727UPS...i noticed you fly out of ONT...you must fly to HNL alot on the 767. give me a hollar the next time your in town.Im probably that guy putting on your fuel load...i hope to start my flying career soon...
12-16-2007, 09:15 AM
#37
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 35
Originally Posted by Stryker
I finished the 90 day program in August and I have mixed feelings about the school. While the overall program was great there are some things that they definitely could do better.
Their scheduling is definitely one of the places that they are lacking in organization. I attended the Jacksonville office and they had a white board that the instructors would sign out the aircraft at the beginning of the day, and then when all of them were taken the other instructors would have to run around trying to find out when another one would be available. This caused a lot of downtime and many days that I was unable to fly. Most of my instrument rating flights didnt even get wheels up until between 11pm and 2am.
Several times I had maintainence issues with the planes and I have to say that they have an excellent maintainence facility. On your cross country flights sometimes you may get stuck somewhere for a night (like I did when we picked up a plane with a busted starter), but they make sure you get on your way very quickly (they overnighted a special starter to the FBO and we were on our way the next day).
I was told when I started there that most people finish the program in less than 90 days. Thats definitely not true (at least it wasnt in August). I started on April 30th and did not leave Jacksonville until August 22nd and that was before I could get my CFISE and CSEL checkrides done. I was put on hold for 2 weeks to get into one of the CFI Schools because I missed my date by 1 day due to broken planes in the cross country phase.
Overall it was a good experience and I would definitely repeat it (especially now knowing that the RJ course is part of the ACP Program)... The cross country phase was by far one of the best aviation experiences I have had. I got to travel between Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and South Carolina. It is definitely not for everyone but if you are willing to put the time and effort into it you can definitely get alot out of it.
Their scheduling is definitely one of the places that they are lacking in organization. I attended the Jacksonville office and they had a white board that the instructors would sign out the aircraft at the beginning of the day, and then when all of them were taken the other instructors would have to run around trying to find out when another one would be available. This caused a lot of downtime and many days that I was unable to fly. Most of my instrument rating flights didnt even get wheels up until between 11pm and 2am.
Several times I had maintainence issues with the planes and I have to say that they have an excellent maintainence facility. On your cross country flights sometimes you may get stuck somewhere for a night (like I did when we picked up a plane with a busted starter), but they make sure you get on your way very quickly (they overnighted a special starter to the FBO and we were on our way the next day).
I was told when I started there that most people finish the program in less than 90 days. Thats definitely not true (at least it wasnt in August). I started on April 30th and did not leave Jacksonville until August 22nd and that was before I could get my CFISE and CSEL checkrides done. I was put on hold for 2 weeks to get into one of the CFI Schools because I missed my date by 1 day due to broken planes in the cross country phase.
Overall it was a good experience and I would definitely repeat it (especially now knowing that the RJ course is part of the ACP Program)... The cross country phase was by far one of the best aviation experiences I have had. I got to travel between Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and South Carolina. It is definitely not for everyone but if you are willing to put the time and effort into it you can definitely get alot out of it.
The only thing that I don't like is that people from other flight schools make comments that ATP students and instructors don't know as much. In my opinion you could take 3 times as long to learn and get your ratings but that doesn't necessarily mean that you have learned as much. If you devote your time and energy to go to the program and study everyday I believe that you can be successful and knowledgable. The only thing that lacks at ATP is experience because you can only learn so much from only 250 flight hours.
12-16-2007, 10:23 PM
#38
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 27
Originally Posted by pilot77
I don't know how you guys do that 90 day program at atp, thats got to be alot of stress on the mind. I dont think i could handle it.
12-16-2007, 11:44 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Student Pilot
Posts: 120
Originally Posted by pilot77
I don't know how you guys do that 90 day program at atp, thats got to be alot of stress on the mind. I dont think i could handle it.
It's really no big deal, the biggest issue is the actual flight school getting their airplanes, and instructors all in a row. Otherwise, if the student studies, and applies himself, it is a piece of cake.
12-17-2007, 04:44 AM
#40
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Joined APC: May 2007
Posts: 27
Originally Posted by PMeyer
It's really no big deal, the biggest issue is the actual flight school getting their airplanes, and instructors all in a row. Otherwise, if the student studies, and applies himself, it is a piece of cake.
