Atp Cfi Program Only For Future Employees
 

Just a little heads up.
Was going to go to the CFI program with ATP. With help from Cubdriver, ATP only allows those who are going to work for them after they complete their three ratings, in the program.
Kind of crazy they can fill 4 different locations, months in advance, with only people that are going to go to work for them. I wonder how long it is before they open it back up to everyone.
Oh well, time to go some place else.

When did you recieve this information?


I have not signed the financial yet ,but have a date this month in addison

I think he received it yesterday, I got the same tidbit from them about 6 months ago when I tried to sign up for my CFI and they said sorry bub, we don't train any CFIs who are not going to work for us. Too bad... I really wanted to do it with them as they fit my schedule perfectly. In fact, I cannot find anyone else who fits my schedule and have not gone for my CFI exactly due to this problem. I have put off teaching altogether pretty much because it's too much trouble unless I can do it all in one or two weeks. No wonder there is a shortage of CFIs- they all went to Comair and AllATPs won't train anybody.

they must be making LOTS of money to turn down business like that!!

In their shoes you would see the value of using remaining resources to insure viability. I am not in the market to fly or teach full time, but those who are can still get trained. One has the option of enrolling in an FBO based CFI course, or they can sweat it out at AllATPs as an employee after getting trained. What they are saying in substance is no hobby pilots.

I am in the exact same boat as you. I don't have the time to enroll in a multi month course for just an initial. I am wondering what to do, I found us flight academy in Denton, TX. But I don't really know much about them, and I am a little hesitant to roll out there from ca for an unknown school.
What to do.


Oh, and I found out ATP would only take people going to work for them yesterday, after I have been talking to them for the last two months to sign up, it comes out yesterday when I mention something to him about it. Kind of makes me wonder what I have done if I didn't say anything and paid them their 1000 and showed up. "Oh, and by the way....welcome aboard, move to Flordia."

Yeah they never said anything to me !! should I just keep quite and show up for training

Yeah, or ask them before you go so you don't get screwed one way or another...

Couldn't you just get the training and then quit? I mean, you are still paying for the instructor training. You don't owe them anything.

Yeah you could, but you are going to have to lie about really wanting to work there (not that big a deal, but still a concern in terms of violating your personal ethics), submit the job application (something of a big deal, depending on how much it entails), and have curious phone calls placed to your current employer about how good a worker you are, which for me is undesirable. There may be other reasons I missed and these are just what comes to mind. I would tend to think this trick has been tried also, which I am sure they will guard against if they are serious about their rule. If someone tried the trick I would be curious whether it worked, but you risk losing your money or who knows what else, and I personally am not willing to try it.

I think what SLICE said would be the better alternative to this problem just quit,the guy I enrolled with never said a word just that they were hiring and they did not have enough CFI's fo the planes they have!!!

And was also told that the CFi i will be flying with was new and would be leaving soon to the BIG SHOW!!!

These guys put out the pilot's I just dont understand why they would turn away potential CFI's even if you did not work for them. ATP is suppose to be the the CFI king as far as price and just getting you done in a hurry

when i went for my CFI 10 years ago you could not get anyone to help and no one had a idea what to do, That was at Bolivar you guy's are probably to young to remember that flight school!!! I flew My butt off to get My CFI and that was 1100.00 7 days very good training the examiner was very fair


I hope ATP knows what they are doing?


Not a good move!!!

It may very well be a rule for sake of having a rule so if they ever need a rule to throw up it's there. In that case breaking it is no big deal at all, and would in fact be welcome in an under-the-table sort of way. Someone needs to test the waters.

I agree Cubdriva, but I am afraid to burn the bridges from the people working there. Not that they are super connected, but they are connected...If you know what I mean.

Guess this explains when I went and did the interview for the 6-months career program, they asked if I was going to instruct with them I told them "no", they never offered me a class date for their career program (after the financing for the entire program was completed by the bank and ATP just needed to sign the papers)......they turned me away.....too....oh well their loss

Indeed Lbell, indeed.
Where did you end up?

Does the contract say you have to instruct there?

If not, sign, get trained, shake hands and leave.

-LAFF

I'm going to go here for now, plus I can live at home with my mom, and it's cheaper than ATP.

http://www.sunstateaviation.com/

Sunstate looked and sounded good, but their booked into late Nov. now.