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Old 11-10-2007, 05:29 PM   #1  
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Red face Failed a Stage Check because of landing too fast.

I did a Stage check today so I could get signed off to solo. Everything was good, such as maneuvers, communications, etc., but I landed fast on all of my landings. I fly a Piper Warrior and was coming in around 10kts too fast, even with full flaps, power idle and even putting it into a slip. I also came in fast on my no flaps and 10* flap landings.

What can I do to keep my speed at 63kts for final?

I was also thinking of ordering a book called "Making Perfect Landings"...is this worth it or not at all?

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10 kts too fast isn't that bad. I remember when I first transitioned to the warrior from 172's, I had a hard time slowing down. With 172's I was use to seeing more of the ground, but in the warrior it tends to have a nose up attitude, so you see less of what is below you. I would pitch down too much, which led to excessive airspeed.

Basically what you need to do is bring the power out sooner, and try to keep more of a pitch up attitude. I usually give two turns of up trim when I bring the power back to 1500 RPM. This will increase your sink rate and slow you down. It just takes time to find the power and pitch setting so you can maintain a steady descent right to the threshold.
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before I soloed, I had that problem in the 172's. Bring the power out sooner. approach speed is 63 kts, that does not mean cross the fence at that speed.
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I did a Stage check today so I could get signed off to solo. Everything was good, such as maneuvers, communications, etc., but I landed fast on all of my landings. I fly a Piper Warrior and was coming in around 10kts too fast, even with full flaps, power idle and even putting it into a slip. I also came in fast on my no flaps and 10* flap landings.

What can I do to keep my speed at 63kts for final?
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Trim, Trim Trim....
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Old 11-10-2007, 10:08 PM   #5  
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Thanks for the help!

I used to fly Cessnas before the Warrior and have also noticed myself pushing the nose of the Warrior downwards. I'll be sure to trim up when I'm abeam the touchdown point.
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always remember these 3 things: Pitch, Power, Trim. Power will probably be the same once you make the initial reduction until you gain the runway, but pitch for that airspeed and trim to maintain.
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Pitch for airspeed and power for descent rate. even though you'll think your pitch will be to high and won't get you to the runway, it will.

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Also, make sure that you are begining your descent and base legs at the proper points. If you turn in too tight or start your descent too late, it can result in a steeper than optimal approach (and resultant higher airspeed).
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I teach to trim in the flare if one is a little fast. This is a last ditch effort to slow yourself down. A perfect approach will usually lead to a perfect landing...

TRIM TRIM TRIM.
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If you're in a Warrior with full flaps and idle power, and indicating 73 knots, you're pitching down way too much.
1500 RPM is a good target to use on final.
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