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emsgoof 12-06-2007 05:20 PM

Part 141 Commercial
 
I'm trying to figure out the part 141 training requirements, and how it compares to my current times. The FAR only states (multi, by the way, will do a single add-on because it ends up being cheaper that way - the Seminole rents for less than the Trinidad) that I would need 55 hours from a CFI, including blah blah blah, and a total of 120 hours of training. I'm assuming that's total time after your private? However, I thought that for Part 141, you had to follow a published syllabus. The one I have here requires 135 hours. Would that be in addition to the 125 hours I already have? Here's a break down: 124.9 total, 78.9 PIC, 41.7 X-C, 37.9 simulated instrument, 6.1 actual instrument, private w/ instrument, complex, high performance (1.9 hours complex, 5.1 high performance) Mainly, I'm looking because I'm forced into a career change, I would like to go the pilot route, and I'm trying to figure out how many hours I'd need to get. Thanks!

the King 12-06-2007 08:59 PM

Under Part 141, you must receive and log 120 hours of training toward the Commercial certificate. Private and Instrument don't count. 55 hours must be dual and there are several other requirements to be met such as 10 T/O and LDGs at a towered airport at night, as well as the required XC trips. In order to be a Part 141 school, the school must have a plan called a Training Course Outline which states what the syllabus is and how it will be used at the school. So the school has a way they must teach you.

Under Part 61, you must have 250 hours total to take the checkride. If you've done no 141 Commercial training at this point, you could choose to go either direction. It would be about the same number of hours. I had friends who left our 141 program because they needed 30 hours to get to 250 instead of the 70 hours the program would have required. However in your case, you have no definite advantage either way, but you have an opportunity to make a decision about what helps you the most.

Pilotpip 12-07-2007 10:40 AM

You don't have to do an SE add-on in a complex plane if you already have a multi commercial. You could do the SE portion in a 172 because you've already demonstrated that you know how to operate a complex aircraft.

emsgoof 12-07-2007 06:24 PM

Yes, that was the plan. (Thanks though Pip :) ) With the Seminole being cheaper by the hour, I'd do the main commercial training in it, then do the single engine either in a 172 or an Archer.
Thank you both for the help! I'm still undecided, since it's about dead even either way, and the part 61 gives you more flexibility during the training.

Pilotpip 12-07-2007 06:52 PM

Talk to the school you're considering doing this at. You may be able to recieve credit for cross countries if they meet the criteria of lessons in the curriculum. We would do this for students if they came in with prior experience to complete a rating. Saved them a little money and some time.

Most 141 commercial programs are going to be very similiar. In part 141 you can see the requirements for ratings and see how they compare to part 61. In most cases 141 will require the same cross country experience but does away with much of the total time requirement.

I did most of my training 141. I instructed both 61 and 141. In most cases the structure of a 141 course was the saving grace. Often students that were completing ratings 61 took things at their leisure, and it would end up costing money in the long run. Get in, get done, move on.

If you're considering instructing, you may want to take the time to do a private multi ride somewhere in your training. The reason for doing this would be PIC. All your remaining training would be loggable as PIC. Spending a couple hundred bucks to do the checkride could save you tons when you're looking to get the MEI later and you need the multi PIC.


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