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otter 01-24-2008 02:59 PM

CFI back
 
I might want to get my CFI current agian. Does anyone know what it will take? Would I have to retake the written tests? Would it have to be in a complex airplane or would a 152 work? Any help would be great, Thanks.

mcartier713 01-24-2008 03:34 PM

I think it depends how out of current you are... if you're over a year past your expiration I think you have to take the checkride all over again, whereas if you're still within that time period you can just take a refresher course.

otter 01-24-2008 04:47 PM

I fly 121 so I'm current with some things. I'm past a year, I think I lost it in 06.

Cubdriver 01-24-2008 06:37 PM

CFR 14 FAR 61.199 says you are going to have to take a practical test, and will have to take it in a complex aircraft per 61.183 (h), which reads "an aircraft that is representative of the category and class of aircraft for the aircraft rating sought". You intend to teach commercial students by implication of renewing the certificate even if you do not use it for that specifically. Commercial students of course require complex aircraft. On the bright side, you do not have to do most of the other stuff initial applicants do.

otter 01-24-2008 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 306758)
CFR 14 FAR 61.199 says you are going to have to take a practical test, and will have to take it in a complex aircraft per 61.183 (h), which reads "an aircraft that is representative of the category and class of aircraft for the aircraft rating sought". You intend to teach commercial students by implication of renewing the certificate even if you do not use it for that specifically. Commercial students of course require complex aircraft. On the bright side, you do not have to do most of the other stuff initial applicants do.

Thanks thats what I was looking for. If I haven't flown GA in a while, how many hours would it take to be ready? Thanks agian.

TXTECHKA 01-24-2008 08:43 PM

you can renew in any aircraft and all instructor certificates held will be renewed. My dad just did it a while back in a 172 and he hadn't had his cfi current since I don't know like the 80s. Category and class doesn't refer to complex; the initial cfi has to be taken in a complex though. I'd give yourself maybe two or three hours to prepare prior to the checkride.

Chris 01-24-2008 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 306758)
CFR 14 FAR 61.199 says you are going to have to take a practical test, and will have to take it in a complex aircraft per 61.183 (h), which reads "an aircraft that is representative of the category and class of aircraft for the aircraft rating sought". You intend to teach commercial students by implication of renewing the certificate even if you do not use it for that specifically. Commercial students of course require complex aircraft. On the bright side, you do not have to do most of the other stuff initial applicants do.

Nothing screams CFI more than a guy who quotes from the FARS. :D

Cubdriver 01-25-2008 03:24 AM


Originally Posted by TXTECHKA (Post 306806)
you can renew in any aircraft and all instructor certificates held will be renewed. My dad just did it a while back in a 172 and he hadn't had his cfi current since I don't know like the 80s. Category and class doesn't refer to complex; the initial cfi has to be taken in a complex though...

Just telling him what the law says. I asked a friend who is a DPE this question a few minutes ago, and he says



In answer to your questions:

1. You can renew your CFI certificate using any airplane for which you are rated and it renews all CFI certificates.

Example: If you are a CFI - Airplane Single and Multi-Engine, Instrument, and Glider, you can take your renewal checkride in a non-complex airplane, complex airplane, Multi-engine airplane, or glider and all are renewed.

If I do this, I typically will ask questions about the others certificates. I can do any CFI checkride except an initial CFI ride. The initial CFI ride still needs to be conducted by the FSDO and a complex airplane is required for that.

So, there you have an expert opinion.

You might however run into another problem. Some airplanes have a weight restriction that affects what category it may be used in. The airplane needs to be able to do spins which is allowed for utility and aerobatic category aircraft. But the airplane you want to use may have a dual certification requiring a weight limit for use in the utility category, such as a Cessna 172S Nav III which must be less than 2208 lbs. leaving the useful load at 345 pounds for everything aboard including the fuel. To fly with anyone but the lightest examiner aboard would put it in the normal category, which is not approved for spins. In that case I would present the issue to the examiner and let him decide what aircraft to use. The 152 would work if the examiner doesn't put it over gross weight.

otter 01-25-2008 08:51 PM

Cubdriver Thanks for looking into this. I'm kicking around the idea of working for the FAA. If i do so, i need my CFI back.. Thanks....

Ottopilot 01-27-2008 01:44 PM

Anyone know someone in NE PA that does checkrides? I'd like to get my CFI stuff back too.

patton33 01-27-2008 02:00 PM

cubdriver, you spun a 172 nav3 yet? a few modifications need to be made before the CG will be in limits.

Cubdriver 01-28-2008 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by patton33 (Post 308401)
cubdriver, you spun a 172 nav3 yet? a few modifications need to be made before the CG will be in limits.

The FBO I rent from doesn't allow it. If I did I would just look in the POH. Plane has to be free of baggage, back seat not occupied. That's it (right?). It's not a great spin trainer due to the weight restrictions, though I am sure it handles fine as long as it is done correctly. I prefer a 152 or a Cub.

EngineOut 01-28-2008 10:03 AM

The cool thing is you can do it with a DPE.

The guys I saw do the ride knew the DPE and they were all .3 in the 152. Both of them were older airline guys who just wanted to teach their kids/grandkids how to fly.

patton33 01-28-2008 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 308946)
The FBO I rent from doesn't allow it. If I did I would just look in the POH. Plane has to be free of baggage, back seat not occupied. That's it (right?). It's not a great spin trainer due to the weight restrictions, though I am sure it handles fine as long as it is done correctly. I prefer a 152 or a Cub.


also remove rear seat


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