mistarose

This is a question of whether I am qualified or not to give instruction to and sign-off a friend of mine who wants to earn his initial CFI cert.

My qualifications:

Got my Initial CFI certificate June 2006
Am a CFI/CFII/MEI and my cert. won't expire until June 2009 now.
1100TT, about 700-800 of that is dual given
I have instructed in both part 61 and 141 schools
I have given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course
My pass rate is greater than 80%

Thanks for the help, the regulation is 61.195 (h)

For further clarification, the student is a Commercial pilot w/ instrument rating that completed a CFI 141 course, took and passed the FOI and Airplane knowledge tests. He ran out of money towards the end and had to quit flying for a year and is ready to get back into it and get it done.

This will be done under part 61.

Thanks!

cfii2007

No, you must have been a CFI for 24 months, and 200 hours of dual given.

detpilot

Did you not have a FAR/AIM handy or something? For being able to quote the exact location of the regulation, if you'd just turned your book to that page it would spell it out better than either of us could.

Basically, you have to have done one renewal. If you haven't had to renew yet, then you can't train another CFI.

Of course, you meet the 200 dual given part.

mistarose

Yeah I had the FAR/AIM handy, I came to the same conclusion but wanted to make sure I was correct.

I believe if I was still employed by a 141 school I would be able to sign a initial CFI off under a 141 program since I meet the requirements of 61.195 (h)(3)(ii).

1) Serving as an instructor in an FAA-approved course,
meet requirements of (h)(2) which is the 24 and 200 rule OR
2) have trained at least 5 applicants for new cert/rating etc. w/ 80% or better pass rate
3) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor in an airplane.


So I think your both right, I am unable to help him under part 61, but I do believe if it was under 141 I could probably do it.

Thanks, what do you think?

the King

No. No matter the Part you operate in, you must have been a CFI for 2 years (24 months) and have the 200 dual given.

detpilot

Yeah, I teach in a 141 school too, but we still must meet the requirements to sign off a CFI initial.

mistarose

If any of you get a chance, if you haven't already - please take a look at the FARs. Not that it really matters at this point, but I still believe that I would meet the requirements under 141. Of course each 141 school is different...

Ewfflyer

Just wait til June, sign him off, and go from there! Or if he can't wait, find a friend or collegue, and have them do it if they trust what you've done.

mistarose

I would but I start groundschool in March and won't be around much. Its no big deal, I'm not the only flight instructor on this planet. Thanks for all the replies everyone!

the King

I took you up on that and here's what I found. Part 141 gives limitations and privileges to flight schools, not instructors. Part 61 still applies. Here's what it says.

(h) Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first-time flight instructor applicants. (1) The ground training provided to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must be given by an authorized instructor who—
(i) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, has held that certificate for at least 24 months, and has given at least 40 hours of ground training; or
(ii) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, and has given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course.
(2) Except for an instructor who meets the requirements of paragraph (h)(3)(ii) of this section, a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor; and
(v) For training in preparation for a glider rating, have given at least 80 hours of flight training as a flight instructor.
(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must—
(i) Meet the requirements of paragraph (h)(2) of this section; or
(ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane, a rotorcraft, or for a powered-lift rating; or
(B) Given at least 100 hours of flight training as a flight instructor, for training in a glider rating.

So it seems that you must have given more instruction and have been an instructor for 24 months to train a CFI initial under 141. I was unaware of that. Anyone else getting that as well?