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Old 11-30-2008, 09:03 AM
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Can any one give me some info on the 90 day ATP program other that a ATP employee. I just want to know how intense it is, how many days you fly ect. Or is the 10 month better. Any help on this would be great. Thanks.
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Old 11-30-2008, 12:37 PM
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You are probably better off channeling your search efforts here--> Airline Transport Professionals (ATP) - jetcareers

You will find many many people who have attended a variety of ATP locations and courses there.
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I don't believe going from PPL to CFIMEI in 90 days is a good idea. Too much, too fast, no "seasoning" experiences between the ratings, and it's all done to min standard in min time. 50 of the 190 hours multi is in a ground trainer. And it's an expensive program.

I can think of better options unless you just HAVE to get it done in 90 days and you live in an area where there are no less expensive flight schools around. A smarter way to go about it would be PPL, IFR, and Commercial single local. Then ATP for the ME commercial and CFI ratings.
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My question is why go through so fast? Who's going to hire you when you graduate and only have 200 or so hours?
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It is a decent program. Was "only" $30k back in 2001 (a great year to go into aviation BTW)

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I see it is over $50k now. I would not recommend paying that much for the program. Multi time is important, but not at that price. Only 5 of the 10 people in my group stayed with aviation as a career after the program.

Figure out the average price per hour and it will be surprising!
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I like the offer they give when you graduate. You become a flight instructor and you get the apartment for 300 a month and a 2000 dollar salary. Its not a for sure job but thats a really good deal and you are building multi time.
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Yes, a good point about getting hired. Burn-out as a CFI for them is quick... probably averages one year as it is a 7 day per week gig.

Good to hear the monthly wage has increased. Back in 2002 it was $1000 per month and you had to answer phones in Jacksonville until placed into a location around the country. If you "hold out" for a specific city you may have to answer those phones for six months prior to being placed.
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Ya I cant decide what to do. I might just go to my local FBO and get it all done. I just dont want to take so long with all the ratings. My goal is air aumbulance 421 pilot for Reach in Sacramento. Its going to be a while to get there I know but thats what I want. All the twin time at ATP would help me get hired at a cargo copmany like ameriflight. I think?? I just want to make the best move for my choice of wanting to go air aumbulance.
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Old 11-30-2008, 07:16 PM
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I like the offer they give when you graduate. You become a flight instructor and you get the apartment for 300 a month and a 2000 dollar salary. Its not a for sure job but thats a really good deal and you are building multi time.
I would investigate as to how many ACPP graduates are hired as instructors by ATP these days. There are threads elsewhere on APC and on JC that suggest ATP has cut its instructor ranks by about half in the last month. If that's true, it's likely hiring has been cut back or even curtailed. It might be even less of a sure thing that you think.
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The twin time will help you EVENTUALLY. You would still need the 135 mins to fly for Ameriflight. And as far as the instructing jobs don't count on it. The school is firing instructors right now because they can't get students who qualify for loans and they won't train anyone who is not a US citizen. Air Ambulance companies need the 135 mins as well I believe and more than likely require a lot more than that. I graduated ATP as well and right now I am a CFI at a different school. I went to that school because as far as my situation dictated it was the better move for me. But unless you are in a situation where that seems to be the case there is no reason to hurry through your ratings. As a note, I did the career program there starting from the multi-engine training. I did my PPL at a FBO at a slower pace where I learned a lot from many different people and I enjoyed my PPL for a while flying solo a lot before I jumped over to ATP. I think there is no reason to rush through your ratings right now. No one is going to hire you with 230 hours outside of another flight school, or maybe traffic watch. But even traffic watch might be asking 500 hours for insurance reasons... Take your time and at least do your PPL at an FBO first and make your decisions from there.
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