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Old 12-01-2008, 11:31 AM
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FAR 61.195 states

"(f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate."


So, to give instruction in a multi-engine aircraft, I must have 5 hours of PIC time in the SPECIFIC MAKE AND MODEL.

So...If I am a CFI and I train primarily in a single engine C172 and the school gets in a new aircraft (ASEL - non high powered) ....is there any FAR saying I can't give instruction in the new aircraft - even though I've never flown in it before?

The school I am at rightly imposes a "standardisation" flight in such instances - as obviously you'd be insane to just jump in a unfamiliar plane and try to instruct in it.

But technically could somebody do that if they so wished? Where is it written?

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Old 12-01-2008, 11:41 AM
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The far you quoted doesn't say anything about ASEL does it? So on that note, no.

You could give instruction in any single engine that you qualify to fly on your license. If your school gets a new single that you've never flown you can give instruction in it, just do you homework.
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The far you quoted doesn't say anything about ASEL does it? So on that note, no.

You could give instruction in any single engine that you qualify to fly on your license. If your school gets a new single that you've never flown you can give instruction in it, just do you homework.
this true from an FAR point of view, but their insurance, lease agreement, and/or company policies will probably have some say in the matter as well.
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:36 PM
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this true from an FAR point of view, but their insurance, lease agreement, and/or company policies will probably have some say in the matter as well.

...exactly, I just wanted to know from a FAR standpoint. Nobody in their right mind would jump in an unknown aircraft and go instruct in it just because they've got ASEL on their license......or would they!?!

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Old 12-02-2008, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ladesaparecida View Post
...exactly, I just wanted to know from a FAR standpoint. Nobody in their right mind would jump in an unknown aircraft and go instruct in it just because they've got ASEL on their license......or would they!?!

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A low time CFI/pilot in general....No. Once you reach a certain level of confidence, hours, and have seen related aircraft, yes you can. It takes me about 10 minutes to get most of the pertinent info I need from a POH to really talk about an airplane, especially if we're talking single-engine(I am not a MEI, so I don't even worry about that) if I haven't already flown one. How do you know when you get to that point, I dunno, it just happens. The first few hundred hours of dual given can be rough for most people, after that though a comfort builds, and with that all the above mentioned factors.

Just my opinion on the matter
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Originally Posted by ladesaparecida View Post
...Nobody in their right mind would jump in an unknown aircraft and go instruct in it just because they've got ASEL on their license......or would they!?!
yeah, it happens all the time. usually the scenario is some guy owns a plane and wants to get a BFR or IPC or add on an instrument rating. or someone's parents own a plane and they want to get a license.
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Originally Posted by ladesaparecida View Post
...exactly, I just wanted to know from a FAR standpoint. Nobody in their right mind would jump in an unknown aircraft and go instruct in it just because they've got ASEL on their license......or would they!?!

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It would be a bad idea. You could get the basics out of the POH, but certain things like stall and landing characteristics should really be reviewed with someone who knows the airplane. It could be done in one flight.
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