MEI sign off for solo pvt SEL students
#1
MEI sign off for solo pvt SEL students
During ground school for my MEI one of the students in my class with me asked an interesting question. So say you've got a student who has their pvt SEL and they're working on getting their Multi com, or even just a pvt Multi add on. The question was how would you sign that person off to solo the twin?
My MEI instructor is going to call the FSDO on monday. He spoke with a DE and he said just a logbook endorsement. Which doesn't sound wrong, but with a student pilot you have to sign their medical for make and model for solo as well as their logbook. And if just the logbook sign off would you need a presolo written, 90 day initial/multi endoresment also? It's just confusing because in both cases, working on the com ME, or the pvt me add on, they already have a pilots license however need something to solo in a twin.
It's pretty cut and dry if they're a student pilot going for a private multi and only flying multi. You'd have the same sign offs as a SEL private student. It becomes a gray area if they already have their private SEL and want to solo a twin.
My MEI instructor is going to call the FSDO on monday. He spoke with a DE and he said just a logbook endorsement. Which doesn't sound wrong, but with a student pilot you have to sign their medical for make and model for solo as well as their logbook. And if just the logbook sign off would you need a presolo written, 90 day initial/multi endoresment also? It's just confusing because in both cases, working on the com ME, or the pvt me add on, they already have a pilots license however need something to solo in a twin.
It's pretty cut and dry if they're a student pilot going for a private multi and only flying multi. You'd have the same sign offs as a SEL private student. It becomes a gray area if they already have their private SEL and want to solo a twin.
#2
I hate to be this guy cause I love these kind of questions, but I'm not sure there's an insurance company out there that approves soloing a twin prior to being rated in it.
Also, once they have their private, there is no need for solo requirements for an add on.
There's also no requirement to solo the twin for a multi comm initial
Also, once they have their private, there is no need for solo requirements for an add on.
There's also no requirement to solo the twin for a multi comm initial
#4
Train em up like a student pilot, and give them the following endorsement for solo requirements.
62. To act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot does not hold an appropriate category/class rating: section 61.31(d)(3).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by section 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model of aircraft).
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
From the true legal standpoint of the regs, you don't need a presolo written or any of that nonsense...BUT, your local FSDO may tell you that a presolo written+student pilot signoff is required (in their opinion).
From a theoretical standpoint, the above sign-off from AC 61-65E should be enough. From the local FSDO's opinion, you may have to treat them like a student pilot...this is what happened to me when I had to solo to add on my glider rating.
62. To act as PIC of an aircraft in solo operations when the pilot does not hold an appropriate category/class rating: section 61.31(d)(3).
I certify that (First name, MI, Last name) has received the training as required by section 61.31(d)(3) to serve as a PIC in a (category and class of aircraft). I have determined that he/she is prepared to serve as PIC in that (make and model of aircraft).
/s/ [date] J. J. Jones 987654321CFI Exp. 12-31-05
From the true legal standpoint of the regs, you don't need a presolo written or any of that nonsense...BUT, your local FSDO may tell you that a presolo written+student pilot signoff is required (in their opinion).
From a theoretical standpoint, the above sign-off from AC 61-65E should be enough. From the local FSDO's opinion, you may have to treat them like a student pilot...this is what happened to me when I had to solo to add on my glider rating.
#5
Why does the student need to solo the twin? Do the solo cross-countries in a single. I can't believe any insurance company or legitimate flight school would endorse a student soloing a twin until rated.
I'ts not that big a deal....the student saves money by doing cross-country in a single. It only takes about 8-10 hours of dual to train for a m.e. check-ride.
I'ts not that big a deal....the student saves money by doing cross-country in a single. It only takes about 8-10 hours of dual to train for a m.e. check-ride.
#7
Not that I plan on signing someone off to solo a twin without the license, and I know how insurance for twins requires a lot of time...
It's a class room hypothetical question.
#8
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Sultan gave a very clear answer. It's covered in 61.31 and the FAA even has a form endorsement for it. in black and white.
#9
I hate to be this guy cause I love these kind of questions, but I'm not sure there's an insurance company out there that approves soloing a twin prior to being rated in it.
Also, once they have their private, there is no need for solo requirements for an add on.
There's also no requirement to solo the twin for a multi comm initial
Also, once they have their private, there is no need for solo requirements for an add on.
There's also no requirement to solo the twin for a multi comm initial
to the original poster, yes you can endorse him, however insurance would require you to be there during his "solo"... where he would be performing the duties of PIC, I would be suprised if you actually found a situation where a student did solo a multi-engine airplane without having the rating. For an add-on you wouldn't need to mess with his medical because he's not a student pilot anymore (i.e. student pilot certificate was "replaced by PPL").
If he did not hold a PPL, you could theoretically sign him off on his medical/SP cert. and logbook to go solo... but that's kind of stupid because it's never going to happen.