Interesting email from ATP
04-17-2009, 09:31 PM
#131
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Not picking on your statement Hector but, "people that have kids before having a steady and good income are irresponsible in my opinion." No pilot job is steady and the income is questionable at best especially when you are furloughed and have to start over. Aviation is an industry where being furloughed or losing your job is the norm in career progression. In other words using the requirement that a "steady/good income" is a prerequisite for a pilot to have a family pretty much means most of the pilots I've flown with were irresponsible....
04-18-2009, 02:01 PM
#133
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I took the ATP route, done in six months instructed for a year and now at an airline. I took a huge pay cut(temporary) to make the career change but I'm happy. Some of these folks say don't do it , or it's not worth the money but you have to make the choice. It's not about the money for me, I wanted to get up in the morning and enjoy going to work.
As for ATP, it's hard. BUT!!!! It's what you make of it, work hard , study and have a beer now and then. Have a GOOD ATTITUDE.
PHX is the best location
As for ATP, it's hard. BUT!!!! It's what you make of it, work hard , study and have a beer now and then. Have a GOOD ATTITUDE.
PHX is the best location
04-19-2009, 03:41 PM
#134
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Originally Posted by HectorD
As long as you don't come into the industry with a wife and kids you will be ok. Of course, you can but you will spend the first few years with sleepless nights trying to pay the bills. It seems that the key to succeed in this industry is not starting with allot of payments to begin with and once you have a nice income then you should start worrying about your house, then marriage and then kids. Call me naive but people that have kids before having a steady and good income are irresponsible in my opinion.
Originally Posted by Dan64456
I agree 100%. This is not naive; this is the exact opposite actually. I feel like I've worked hardest in my life to make sure I didn't catch emotions or gain anything too early on in fear of having something to lose. Isn't that horrible? It's a rich man’s world. If you’re not born into it, then you are going to have a HELL of a time.
Ever see idiocracy? I can totally see that happening. Already do, actually. I'm afraid to buy a house these days, my job is in jeopardy, and everyone’s job is in jeopardy. I couldn't imagine being responsible for another human being... Ever since the 90's and 2000's when 2 yrs at 1 job became overstaying your welcome. Some call it competition, I call it overpopulation. This is another reason I hate corporate jobs. Especially IT. You don't move up unless you use all of your energy job searching and job hopping, granted you don't have to start over in pay, but these days you won't get a raise or a job either way in any industry. I'd much rather have a job where I know I am comfortable staying at for a long time before I even consider kids and a mortgage. All without having to constantly threaten to quit to try to get a better deal. (Once you do that, they find a way to fire you anyway once they find your replacement...)
Ever see idiocracy? I can totally see that happening. Already do, actually. I'm afraid to buy a house these days, my job is in jeopardy, and everyone’s job is in jeopardy. I couldn't imagine being responsible for another human being... Ever since the 90's and 2000's when 2 yrs at 1 job became overstaying your welcome. Some call it competition, I call it overpopulation. This is another reason I hate corporate jobs. Especially IT. You don't move up unless you use all of your energy job searching and job hopping, granted you don't have to start over in pay, but these days you won't get a raise or a job either way in any industry. I'd much rather have a job where I know I am comfortable staying at for a long time before I even consider kids and a mortgage. All without having to constantly threaten to quit to try to get a better deal. (Once you do that, they find a way to fire you anyway once they find your replacement...)
P.S., the two of you should never have children.
Originally Posted by Rnav
Not picking on your statement Hector but, "people that have kids before having a steady and good income are irresponsible in my opinion." No pilot job is steady and the income is questionable at best especially when you are furloughed and have to start over. Aviation is an industry where being furloughed or losing your job is the norm in career progression. In other words using the requirement that a "steady/good income" is a prerequisite for a pilot to have a family pretty much means most of the pilots I've flown with were irresponsible....
04-20-2009, 12:32 AM
#135
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really
Originally Posted by mshunter
And BTW, it will get you there quicker in most cases, in my opnion. It's extreamly hard to find an FBO that can get you through in 6-7 months from 0 time to CFI/CFII/MEI (I should know, I now work at one).
04-20-2009, 05:49 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by mshunter
You two have no clue. Since you were so quick to judge those of us who are "irresponsible", I'll assume that the two of you probably have no children, and have no clue as to what it really takes to raise a family. I have a kid, a wife and a house. And I am in the middle of a career change where I made good money, and was miserable. I don't make much money right now, but I am happy, which translates directly into my childs happiness. My wife can tolerate me now, and she is my biggest supporter. I also live in So-Cal, one of the most expensive places to live. We are not paycheck to paycheck, or in collections for anything. Neither of us are rich, or came from rich families. We don't take handouts, and make a good home for my kid. We may not be able to run right out and buy him that new bike at the drop of a hat, but I can still get it for him when is good and has done something to deserve it. Hold your tounge with hap-hazzard "irrisponsible" comments such as this. Passing judgement will get you no where but in the tird house.
P.S., the two of you should never have children.
Most people in general would be irresponsible. It is not unheard of for someone to loose a or, or make a career change mid-life. Half cocked statements will get you no where in life. Hopefully the same doesn't ring true for the previous two who have been quoted.
P.S., the two of you should never have children.
Most people in general would be irresponsible. It is not unheard of for someone to loose a or, or make a career change mid-life. Half cocked statements will get you no where in life. Hopefully the same doesn't ring true for the previous two who have been quoted.
Look, sorry if my agreement of Hector's comment offended you, but to say we should never have children just because we want to wait to until we are financially stable and married is absurd. It is a known fact that way too many people have kids that shouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong, and the true meaning of this life is to have kids, multiply, make friends, whatever... Or maybe I'm just selfish. But please don't say I shouldn't have kids just because I want to wait until I can increase the chances of them growing up in a stable, 2 parent household.
No one said that there is anything wrong with making career changes midlife with kids either. I'm thinking Hector meant that people who are 25 years old or younger, unmarried and with nothing but debt and low income shouldn't have kids yet. This happens to be my opinion as well.
Last edited by Dan64456; 04-20-2009 at 06:03 AM.
04-20-2009, 06:46 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by FlywithStyle
what kind of comment is that? I mean hard to find an FBO that you can fly 5/6 days a week? really? what FBO's are you at that don't offer flight instruction 7 days a week? If you want to fly full time at an FBO just like you do at ATP then just go to the FBO and tell them how you want to schedule your flight time- it is your money spend it as you see fit
I work at 2 FBO's as a flight instructor, and it is almost impossible to get it done in this time frame unless they specalize in it. You think ATP just got up one day and decided to get people done that fast. It takes a lot of planning to get it done that fast. It also takes a fleet of airplanes that most FBO's simply don't have.
04-20-2009, 06:47 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by Dan64456
Look, sorry if my agreement of Hector's comment offended you, but to say we should never have children just because we want to wait to until we are financially stable and married is absurd. It is a known fact that way too many people have kids that shouldn't. Maybe I'm wrong, and the true meaning of this life is to have kids, multiply, make friends, whatever... Or maybe I'm just selfish. But please don't say I shouldn't have kids just because I want to wait until I can increase the chances of them growing up in a stable, 2 parent household.
No one said that there is anything wrong with making career changes midlife with kids either. I'm thinking Hector meant that people who are 25 years old or younger, unmarried and with nothing but debt and low income shouldn't have kids yet. This happens to be my opinion as well.
No one said that there is anything wrong with making career changes midlife with kids either. I'm thinking Hector meant that people who are 25 years old or younger, unmarried and with nothing but debt and low income shouldn't have kids yet. This happens to be my opinion as well.
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