Make and Model
 

This question is regarding logbooks...

How do you guys fill out the make and model in your/students' logbook?

For example.. a Piper Arrow, I can think of like 9 ways to write the make and model.

1. Arrow (Common Name)
2. PA-28R (POH Short-Version)
3. PA-28R-180 or 200 (POH)
4. P28R (ATC/FAA)

Any thoughts?

I write it the way the POH writes it. There are so many types of Pipers and the best way to do those is the exact way they are written on the POH.

For example:

Piper Arrow PA-28R-201
Piper Warrior PA-28-151 or PA-28-161
Piper Seminole PA-44-180

Make--PA Model--28R Series--200 or 180 or 201
Make--C Model--172
Make--B Model--727 Series--200 or 100

Bottom line is either way you want as long as it's clear.

In one respect, the best way is to look at the type data sheet. Of course, I haven't seen one. :p

If you want to get technical, Cessna is CE and Beech is BE.

A CE-172 is one type, so it is not necessary to tack on the engine designator or model designator (R, S, etc). But you can if you want to, especially if you have some ASEL glass time that you want to keep track of.

I log all specific pipers because I fly the PA46-350T/350P/310P/500TP, PA32R-301/301T/PA32-301FT, etc... Just to keep it clear on what specific type it actually was. PA32RT-300T is another nice combo! or PA28RT-201T. Yeah Pipers are a Cluster, but there are so many minute variences between types!

Technical according to what? a POH? Because I know the ATC code for a 172 is C172...

See it's such a hard question. Is an Arrow a PA-28R or a P28R, is a 182RG a C-182RG or a C82R?

Matt,

Technical according to the TCDS. Also technical according to what a type rating would say if there was one. Citations are CE-500, CE-750, etc.

My actual logbooks don't differ between say, a 172M and a 172SP. My electronic one does for insurance, I had a couple owners who's insurance wanted to differentiate between TAA aircraft.

The PA-28 family is a fun one. For those I wrote the full designation. PA-28-161, PA-28-235, etc.

I'm sorry, but besides the maybe the example of aircraft insurance that pip lists,

who cares?

I've never had an employer look at my logbook and ask, "now how much of this time was in a EMB-145 LR as opposed to ER, and can you differentiate between a 172M and SP for us?"

I guess the only difference i'd log is if its an RG, but even then, thats why you have a "complex" column in your logbook.

Its your logbook, do what you want with it.

It is exactly because of insurance(suprised they haven't taken over the world yet). Even though I'm a 4000+hr pro pilot, I get haggled by customers insurance because they want to know my exact time-in-type, etc... One of our local's just brought in paperwork for myself and my co-worker to fill out for flying his Saratoga TC. Just part of the deal I guess.

Luckily my companies insurance covers us well. I can hop right into anything, including planes I've never flown before, and it's all good.

Everything outside the Airline world, insurance is a huge factor in how aircraft are operated and who they are flown by.