Photon

Got ramp checked the other day. Of course I had all my documents with me, so it went well.

However, there was one thing he mentioned, and also some things I've been thinking about after the incident.

First of all, he asked me if I was on a part 61 or part 141 flight with my student. It was my only part 61 student, so I said part 61. He said ok, he was wondering because if I was on a part 141 flight I would have to have brought the course syllabus with me on the flight.
I didn't know you had to bring the 141 course syllabus?? Anyway, it was a part 61 so it didn't matter at the time.

Now, on another note. I've been thiking about the documents you need to bring, and browsing some other forums.
If you're carrying passengers, you need the 3-90 landings etc, however, as I've read you don't need to bring your logbook with you, and can just leave it at home, and if they want to see it you can schedule a date with them to show it. (After reading this, I started leaving my logbook at home, to valuable to let it get stolen at work or something like that anyway).
However, this brought me onto another thought. If you're instructing in a complex airplane, and your complex endorsement is in your logbook, are you farked if you get ramp checked?

Just some thougts is all

NightIP

You don't need to bring any type of syllabus. I think that inspector must have been mistaken.

Nope, no worries. You're not required past your student pilot days to have your logbook with you. In fact, I highly recommend that you don't carry it with you. I had to bring mine to work the other day to make a copy and I was paranoid all day.

As you said about the currency requirements, if the inspector wants to see your endorsements, he'll have to make an appointment. In fact, the key to a successful ramp check after you've shown him your certificate, medical, etc.: "Sir, I have a schedule to keep, so if you'd like to discuss this further please contact my company or send me your requests in writing."

250 or point 65

Actually, the STL FSDO did require that the syllabus be brought with us on our flights. I don't know about other FSDO's

NightIP

Interesting. When was this? I haven't taught in a 141 environment in some time, but that I don't remember.

joepilot

I have no doubt that they required it, but what was their justification in the FARs to require it?

Joe

Ottopilot

I was a 141 student and instructor (Chief Instructor). Unless something has changed since then, you are not required to carry the syllabus on the flight. You should be following a syllabus and know what to do on the flight, but why can't you just remember or write it down on a post it note? I'm not even going to try to look it up in the FAR 141's. You can if you want.

Photon

This was from the North Florida FSDO. Dunno where he had it from, but oh well.

Again in regards to endorsements, fair enough that you're not forced to bring your logbook with you, but what about the endorsements?
If you're instructing in a complex or high performance plane, do you need to bring some type of endorsement with you somehow? Or is that one of the things that you can "bring if requested"?

rickair7777

You do not need to carry endorsements with you (unless you are flying on a student pilot certificate). Professional pilots leave their logbooks at home in a fireproof safe or in a safety deposit box. The regs tell you what you need to carry: license & medical (plus all the docs in the airplane).

There is no reg in 141 which requires you to carry a syllabus. I was also a 141 student, instructor, and asst. CP. We did not carry it in the airplane.

I suppose if a 141 school established such rule, some fed or FSDO could have gotten the impression that it is required. But unless your school has a rule in writing, there is no grounds for a violation. But if your FSDO wants you to carry it, better do so...they can always find something to bust you for if they want to.

Cubdriver

I work at a 141 school and we are not required to carry our syllabus. However, to make sure my students get what they paid for I print out their lessons and stick it on my kneeboard so I can make sure to cover everything. It's totally optional to do that. I suppose if you have a really good memory you would not bother, but the average lesson has dozens of objectives on it and I actually have to sign off each lesson to show they have been trained on all that stuff so I sit there checking off objectives the whole flight. I like the one about "presents realistic distractions while student performs power on turning stall". I still have no idea what that means. Someone told me it means you drop your pen and ask them to pick it up. No sir buddy... it can wait!

NoyGonnaDoIt

No logbook. No endorsements.

Certificate. Medical. Photo ID. Period.

There are exceptions (for example, student pilots on cross country flights; recreational pilots for certain activities) but those are specified by regulation, not the whim of an inspector or a FSDO.

That is separate from the 61.51(i) requirement that you present your logbook upon reasonable request. "Reasonable request" does not mean "right now!"

On topic, there are all sorts of inspectors out there with all sorts of personal views on what the regulations say.