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elcid79 04-01-2009 09:54 PM

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I am wanting to start looking for a new job. However, Most international carriers require an ATPL. Does anyone know what it takes to convert a SIC type to a PIC type/ATPL. Thanks for the info.

250 or point 65 04-01-2009 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by elcid79 (Post 589048)
I am wanting to start looking for a new job. However, Most international carriers require an ATPL. Does anyone know what it takes to convert a SIC type to a PIC type/ATPL. Thanks for the info.

Well, it takes getting the written done and taking the type ride. An ATP ride and type ride are the same thing. That being said, depending on what equipment you're on, it may be tough to find affordable training. I looked into getting a full on 145 type cause I already have the SIC and flight safety wanted $24,000 for 2 more stalls and a circling approach. Kinda BS, but worth looking into if youve got a different type.

elcid79 04-01-2009 10:04 PM

24k for a lousy 145 type. thats highway robbery. I got my ATP written knocked out before I was hired by uncle HK. However, that was years ago. I know that the one year restriction does not apply while working for a 121 carrier. Does that apply if you get your ATP outside of your carrier?

ExperimentalAB 04-01-2009 10:11 PM

elcid, I'll get you that ATPL in the 'Fox LoL :D

elcid79 04-01-2009 10:28 PM

Haha thanks man.. Actually, Call me real quick. I have a "Proposal for ya"

Purpleanga 04-01-2009 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by elcid79 (Post 589048)
I am wanting to start looking for a new job. However, Most international carriers require an ATPL. Does anyone know what it takes to convert a SIC type to a PIC type/ATPL. Thanks for the info.

Are you talking about converting your FAA ratings to JAA? If so it takes about a year, about 15k and actual flights that you might have to do overseas for the instrument rating depending on your experience. I looked into it but gave up on it, too much for me plus you need to have dual citizenship or right to work for many JAA airlines. Also many FO positions are fine if you only have a CPL but you need the ATPL written.... from the JAA or local gov authority not the FAA one.

rickair7777 04-02-2009 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by elcid79 (Post 589052)
24k for a lousy 145 type. thats highway robbery. I got my ATP written knocked out before I was hired by uncle HK. However, that was years ago. I know that the one year restriction does not apply while working for a 121 carrier. Does that apply if you get your ATP outside of your carrier?

Your ATP written expires two years after you take it, but you can still use it beyond two years if you upgrade at a 121 airline.

Out in town you need a current written, period.

captainv 04-02-2009 06:05 AM

If all you need is an ATP, you can knock that out for $1,500. If they want you to be PIC typed in a turbine, don't pay for it yourself. not worth the $$$...

fjetter 04-02-2009 08:33 PM

Anybody know what happens if you complete the ATP written prior to going to a 121 carrier and you get furloughed? Does the two year clock still apply or not?

Luv2Rotate 04-02-2009 08:58 PM

As far as I know yes it does.

skatergeek 04-02-2009 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 589693)
Anybody know what happens if you complete the ATP written prior to going to a 121 carrier and you get furloughed? Does the two year clock still apply or not?

The ATP written is good for 24 months, just like any written. HOWEVER you can take your ATP checkride with an EXPIRED written if you work for a 121 carrier.


§ 61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, to be eligible for a practical test for a certificate or rating issued under this part, an applicant must:

(1) Pass the required knowledge test within the 24-calendar-month period preceding the month the applicant completes the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;

(2) Present the knowledge test report at the time of application for the practical test, if a knowledge test is required;

(3) Have satisfactorily accomplished the required training and obtained the aeronautical experience prescribed by this part for the certificate or rating sought;

(4) Hold at least a current third-class medical certificate, if a medical certificate is required;

(5) Meet the prescribed age requirement of this part for the issuance of the certificate or rating sought;

(6) Have an endorsement, if required by this part, in the applicant's
logbook or training record that has been signed by an authorized instructor who certifies that the applicant—

(i) Has received and logged training time within 60 days preceding the date of application in preparation for the practical test;

(ii) Is prepared for the required practical test; and

(iii) Has demonstrated satisfactory knowledge of the subject areas in which the applicant was deficient on the airman knowledge test; and

(7) Have a completed and signed application form.

(b) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section, an applicant for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport certificate may take the practical test for that certificate or rating with an expired knowledge test report, provided that the applicant:

(1) Is employed as a flight crewmember by a certificate holder under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter at the time of the practical test and has satisfactorily accomplished that operator's approved—

(i) Pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is
appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; and

(ii) Qualification training requirements appropriate to the certificate and rating sought; or

(2) Is employed as a flight crewmember in scheduled U.S. military air transport operations at the time of the practical test, and has accomplished the pilot in command aircraft qualification training program that is appropriate to the certificate and rating sought.

(c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions of paragraph
(a)(6) of this section if that person:

(1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation that authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman certificate sought;

(2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating with an associated type rating; or

(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft type rating practical test.

(d) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test.

(e) If all increments of the practical test for a certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed within 60 calendar days after the date on which the applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the entire practical test, including those increments satisfactorily completed.

[Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61–103, 62 FR 40897, July 30, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61–104, 63 FR 20286, Apr. 23, 1998]

Luv2Rotate 04-02-2009 11:09 PM

I dont think being furloughed from a 121 carrier counts as being employed by one does it? So in that case the written portion would expire and another written test would have to be completed.

rickair7777 04-03-2009 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by fjetter (Post 589693)
Anybody know what happens if you complete the ATP written prior to going to a 121 carrier and you get furloughed? Does the two year clock still apply or not?

I don't have the regs handy, but I believe they simply say that "an expired written can be used for upgrade at a 121 carrier"

I recall no caveats about when you took the written, when it expired, or whether or not you were continuously employed in 121.


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