Part 135 X-C
06-25-2009, 10:11 AM
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Part 135 X-C
i know this topic has been discussed a lot, but i'm still confused. so lets say from point A to B then back to A will take .5 hrs. what if i do maneuvers on the way there and back and take total of 2.0hrs. what would i log as x-c? .5 or 2.0??
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06-25-2009, 10:16 AM
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Yes you can log this as xc for part 135. But do not log it as XC if you are flying under a structured 141 program or something similar towards a rating, this can mess your records situation when you have to have a records check done at the end of the course.
06-25-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BoredwLife
Yes you can log this as xc for part 135. But do not log it as XC if you are flying under a structured 141 program or something similar towards a rating, this can mess your records situation when you have to have a records check done at the end of the course.
One was for the traditional definition of x-c time, another was for part 135 x-c time(point to point with a landing) and the third was for ATP x-c(> 50nm no landing required)
When I had all those requirments then I just let the second two columns fall away.
Good luck.
06-25-2009, 10:51 AM
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As long as you made a landing at another airport, yes. That is how I got my 500 xc while instructing. Every student did their landings at another airport, not only does it get you your xc time, it gives them great experience operating in different environments. As an examiner I made all students on their final check ride do landings at another airport. You would be amazed how many couldn't even enter the traffic pattern at an uncontrolled field without killing us, and failed. It is also a great learning experience to fail an engine near a uncontrolled field that is empty and have them commit to a full power off landing. That is another reason to go to a different airport, learning plus getting your much needed 500xc.
06-25-2009, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chongololo
I had three columns going in my logbook for x-c time when I was in that situation.
One was for the traditional definition of x-c time, another was for part 135 x-c time(point to point with a landing) and the third was for ATP x-c(> 50nm no landing required)
When I had all those requirments then I just let the second two columns fall away.
Good luck.
One was for the traditional definition of x-c time, another was for part 135 x-c time(point to point with a landing) and the third was for ATP x-c(> 50nm no landing required)
When I had all those requirments then I just let the second two columns fall away.
Good luck.
Great idea!! I used my open spots for useless times like tailwheel and aerobatic. LOL
06-26-2009, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by yamag7d8
i know this topic has been discussed a lot, but i'm still confused. so lets say from point A to B then back to A will take .5 hrs. what if i do maneuvers on the way there and back and take total of 2.0hrs.
But I wouldn't be surprised if, faced, in the context of an enforcement action, with a 2 hour entry for a 30 minute flight and the explanation that it was done during maneuvers, the FAA would cry foul and say that a reasonable amount of normal maneuvering is to be expected, but at some point it becomes a sham, sort of like 2 CFIs always giving instruction to each other so they could both log PIC on every flight while cutting the cost in half.
06-26-2009, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
In theory it all counts.
But I wouldn't be surprised if, faced, in the context of an enforcement action, with a 2 hour entry for a 30 minute flight and the explanation that it was done during maneuvers, the FAA would cry foul and say that a reasonable amount of normal maneuvering is to be expected, but at some point it becomes a sham, sort of like 2 CFIs always giving instruction to each other so they could both log PIC on every flight while cutting the cost in half.
But I wouldn't be surprised if, faced, in the context of an enforcement action, with a 2 hour entry for a 30 minute flight and the explanation that it was done during maneuvers, the FAA would cry foul and say that a reasonable amount of normal maneuvering is to be expected, but at some point it becomes a sham, sort of like 2 CFIs always giving instruction to each other so they could both log PIC on every flight while cutting the cost in half.
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